Guest guest Posted December 8, 1999 Report Share Posted December 8, 1999 Sraddha dd wrote: > Yes, the statement "woman in leading position is dangerous" is an insult > to my beloved Vrinda devi. She is a woman and she is in a leading position, > and she is not dangerous. Even that you say you don't, you are still comparing Vrnda devi with ordinary women how can you? > > > Srila Prabhupada our Founder-Acarya was a Sannyasi, he manage our > > society > > are you meaning a NO for Srila Prabhupada? > > > > > I mean YES to Srila Prabhupada. If Srila Prabhupada should be the role > model then we should immedietely close all the ashram gurukulas, because he > never went to one. We should send all the children home to have loving > mothers and fathers, because that's what Prabhupada had. We should arrange > marriages of all our children so nicely, like Srila Prabhupadas parents did > it. We should send our children to collages to get the proper education and > be prepared to economically take care of their families in the future. > Because, that's what Prabhupada did it. We should send all our sannyasis > back to grihastha-ashrama untill they don't fill proper age, that they get > some experience about grihastha life, so that in the future they know what > they are talking about. Because, that's what Prabhupada did it. We should > send all the brahmacaris back to education and their previous jobs to be > able to economically take care of their families, because Prabhupad was > never a brahmacari. > O, boy, arn't we in a MESS? Mataji, without intentions of offending you all what you state above is nonsense. All that is what Srila Prabhupada taught us ! ! ! We are Srila Prabhupada's followers. So we have to be fix on his examples and instructions if you will look outside you will get confuse, be very carefull. > Yes, I am speaking about ladies in the WEST ISKCON managing. They are head > pujaris, they are head cooks, they are in the boards. > Examples: Ganga devi, unmarried, head pujari and head cook (Their > Lordships Sri Sri Gandharvika-Giridhari), Sriprada dd, unmarried, head > pujari and head cook (Their Lordships Sri Sri Panca-tattva), Savitri dd, > married, (her husband is not managing) the chief and the executive of the > managment board here in Gothenburg, has her own shop by the side too. Almvik > board (half of the members men, half women). I don't know which kind of > universe you are living in, but I am in this one. That aren't the managent positions that we are specially speaking about. > > By the way, if you have so many qualified men, why don't you send some > over here, we are in lack of it. Did you choose a siksa Guru to guide you? May be if you try to follow Srila Prabhupada's instructions and find a siksa Guru, then you will also realize what a qualified men is. don't take this as an offense please... But is seems you are a little confuse, and the Guru will help you. > > > Did you realize that or you just speak what books teach us? > > > yes, woman can do it ONLY as a service to help her husband managing > > service, other way she cann't. > Your statement that they can't do it, doesn't stop them doing it. I gave > you the examples. They are over here and they are doing it, no matter what > you say. > Mataji, you are not understanding the point. I am not saying nothing of my opinnion, I am just refering to what Srila Prabhupada taught us. Is not *my* philosophy it's Srila Prabhupada's. You can do lots of things far away of what Srila Prabhupada taught us, still you can be part of ISKCON. But try to realize that most of the problems we are having within our Society is because we are doing things that are not what SP expect from us. Humbly and sincerously your servant, Sridhari dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 > Mataji, without intentions of offending you all what you state above is > nonsense. > All that is what Srila Prabhupada taught us ! ! ! We are Srila > Prabhupada's followers. So we have to be fix on his examples and > instructions if you will look outside you will get confuse, be very > carefull. You see, Prabhupad use to be alive even before he came to Amerika. He was a pure devotee even before he started ISKCON. His way of living is an example. He never went to gurukula, he was never a brahmacari, he was properly married, he finished karmi-education, he didn't take sannyas at a young age, he took sannyas 1959., at the age of 63. > > That aren't the managent positions that we are specially speaking about. The managment positions you are speaking about women weren't allowed to have till now, so it's not strange that we don't have the examples. > Did you choose a siksa Guru to guide you? Yes, I did. YOU. Can you please explain to me what is guru? > > > Mataji, you are not understanding the point. I am not saying nothing of my > opinnion, I am just refering to what Srila Prabhupada taught us. Is not > *my* philosophy it's Srila Prabhupada's. You know, those Christians who are saying that Jesus is God are also completely convinced that they are the only ones who are following Jesus. There is no way to convince them that Jesus also said that he is a son of God. Jesus said that he is not different from the Father, so they concluded that he is God. You get the point? You might be completely sure that you are doing the right thing, but you might be completely off. Ys. Sraddha dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 1999 Report Share Posted December 9, 1999 > All that is what Srila Prabhupada taught us ! ! ! We are Srila > Prabhupada's followers. So we have to be fix on his examples and > instructions In one sense it may be true what you are saying, but on the other side we are not a personality cult, what Prabhupada said and was teaching must also be allowed to be veryfied, acording to common sence, logical arguments and the evolution of time. I am refering strictly to the social part of his instructions. We want to become Krsna or God conscious not only Prabhupada conscious. At least I. In no way I want to diminish by saying this his proeminent position os a spiritual master. Thats not my intention, rather I think that many things he may have said formerly in the Hippie days of the 60,s and early 70,s he may see diferently today where there are no moore dirty longhaired hippies lying in the parks. At least since long I haven,t seen any of them. The fashion has changed, the mood of the young people also. But thats just my opinion. I was reading so many references where Prabhupada was speaking about those hippies and how he wants to prevent his disciples from falling down to that stage again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 1999 Report Share Posted December 10, 1999 > You can do lots of things far away of what Srila Prabhupada taught us, > still you can be part of ISKCON. But try to realize that most of the > problems we are having within our Society is because we are doing things > that are not what SP expect from us. Such as? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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