Guest guest Posted December 13, 1999 Report Share Posted December 13, 1999 Thank you, Guru Krishna Prabhu, for your well written reply to Mataji Madhusudani Radha devi dasi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 1999 Report Share Posted December 13, 1999 >So you can insist that each man takes *one* >wife, and I will insist that the leftover women will be exploited by lusty >married men. So better they be protected as co-wives than exploited as >playthings. Why disagree? What "left-over" women????? The only women I've ever seen having problems finding a man are those who are older, who are single mothers, who are unattractive by societal standards, or who have psychiatric problems. Are those the women you're talking about taking mercy on? Every man I've known of who has been eyeing a potential co-wife has focused his attention on cute, young virgins - none of whom have had any problems attracting a man of her own age to marry. Let's get real. Of course in India this is even less of a problem, given that it's one of only two countries in the world whose statistics show that there are fewer men than women. So does that mean that the solution for Indian women is to follow Draupadi's example? >Definitely. It is *much needed* training, Mataji. But it need not be a >wonder what to do or how to do it. SP has already given us the framework >called gurukula. Yes, we have had gurukulas for our young boys for several decades now. Do you think they have produced young men who are role models in terms of how to take care of and protect women? Unfortunately, it doesn't look like it and many of the men I have seen who have taken up those roles went to day schools. So maybe the curriculum in our schools (day school or boarding schools) is not yet optimal when it comes to such training. Do you have any thoughts about how it could be improved? I'm asking sincerely because I know you have been discussing these topics for over a year since the Dharma of Women conference became Dharma of Men and Women. Surely in all that time you could not only have been discussing how to make women more submissive or how to help men control women? >Insisting >that every man marries only 1 woman will not stop lusty married men from >going to lusty unprotected women. Just believe it! Sorry, I can't accept you as my guru. But you're partially right. Marrying one woman is only one piece of the solution. The man also needs to be trained properly so that he won't look at anyone else, much less touch her. And we all know how the mind works. The whole process starts with thinking about all those lusty unprotected women..... Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 1999 Report Share Posted December 13, 1999 At 08:00 PM 12/12/99 -0800, COM: Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley - USA) wrote: >[Text 2852342 from COM] > >What "left-over" women????? The only women I've ever seen having >problems finding a man are those who are older, who are single >mothers, who are unattractive by societal standards, or who have >psychiatric problems. Are those the women you're talking about taking >mercy on? Not exactly, Mataji. The present-day society is indeed a mess. But even in ideal society, we see that polygamy was practiced. Why? Apparently there really were more marriageable women than men. Every man I've known of who has been eyeing a potential >co-wife has focused his attention on cute, young virgins - none of >whom have had any problems attracting a man of her own age to marry. > >Let's get real. Getting real: How many cute, young virgins end up cute, young, husbandless mothers? Which is to agree with you that our young boys *must* be trained in celibacy, so that they can either remain brahamacary or become responsible grhastas. >Yes, we have had gurukulas for our young boys for several decades >now. Do you think they have produced young men who are role models >in terms of how to take care of and protect women? Unfortunately, it >doesn't look like it and many of the men I have seen who have taken >up those roles went to day schools. So maybe the curriculum in our >schools (day school or boarding schools) is not yet optimal when it >comes to such training. Do you have any thoughts about how it could >be improved? I'm asking sincerely because I know you have been >discussing these topics for over a year since the Dharma of Women >conference became Dharma of Men and Women. Surely in all that time >you could not only have been discussing how to make women more >submissive or how to help men control women? Yes, it's true that we have definitely discussed the absolutely essential need for ISKCON devotees to properly train our boys. And I think I am fairly representing the others when I say that our consensual agreement was simply that ISKCON must *properly* establish gurukula. The boys must be trained in celibacy, sense control, to see all women as mother, etc. In other words, we have to *seriously* apply Srila Prabhupada's instructions. In the absence of such bona fide gurukulas as ISKCON's primary standard of education, it should be no surprise that we aren't exactly prodcuing the most highly qualified men and women from our schools. >The man also >needs to be trained properly so that he won't look at anyone else, >much less touch her. And we all know how the mind works. The whole >process starts with thinking about all those lusty unprotected >women..... Exactly, Mataji. The young boy must be trained as you say here, and the young girls must be trained to be shy, chaste, modest, etc. --gkd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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