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In a message dated 12/27/1999 9:20:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Guru-Krsna.HDG (AT) bbt (DOT) se writes:

 

> the wandering mendicant

> sannyasis--who have no home in this world, who are fully dependent on the

> Lord (as you said), who must constantly travel, who have no wife or

children

> to give them affection or comforts, and who *we* householders must properly

> respect and give comforts to when they temporarily visit our locale.

>

 

Wandering mendicant? Which ones don't have bank accounts? How many are on

special diets? What about the ones who have purchased homes? Is this not a

contradiction? In our society today it is usually the householders who are

mendicants not the sannyasis. You are still expecting women to come up to

some ideal standard but you do not expect the sannyasis to do the same. If

their goal was simply to serve Krsna in a mood of renounciation, why not just

stay lifelong bramacari? It is a humble and renounced position in society

with no confusion about power and prestige. yhs, Kanti dasi

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On 28 Dec 1999, Hariballabha dd wrote:

 

> > This "MatajiMataji" Mataji", whom you so condescendingly address is my

> > wife. You´ve got an attitude-problem. Why not just debate without

> > insulting, it cannot be lack of arguments?

> >

> > ys TM

>

> That's one of the reason why the so called feminism in ISKCON appeared.

> There is and was no real humble attitude towards the mothers...

>

> Hb dd

 

I won't disagree that there has been improper application of Srila

Prabhupada's teachings on the role of women in the movement. But addressing a

lady as "Mataji", ie. mother, is a sign of respect. Why are you trying to

change that? These two postings seem to lack any understanding of Vedic

culture.

 

Women are highly regarded in Vedic culture. However, their roles do seem much

different than what is being espoused now in our movement.

 

Is this movement not about trying to apply Srila Prabhupada's teachings? Most

of my time I work in the vaisya varna. There are many strong statements about

that as well. But the restrictions are not signs of disrespect but rather on

how a spiritual society should be run. Let us not now run out and espouse the

footnoting of Prabhupada's books because the businessmen in the movement are

offended.

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