Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 ++Om Datta Guru++ Dear Sundeep, Pranam Sorry for the delay there was some problem with my net connection. Thanks for ur kind n compassionate mail. 1. I am aware of stronger AL part and logically since Aq is lagna and Sat is with another planet whereas Rahu is alone, Sat becomes the lagna lord and should give the AL in Ge. But then if AL is in Ge with Rahu it Can produce a scandal at some point of time in ur life which you have not indicated. On Saturday I discussed this part of AL with one of my mentors & he said that we must first see who is stronger amongst Sat & Rahu and not jump to 2 planet theory (if Sat is with another planet whereas Rahu is alone – Sat is stronger). He explained that Sat is in Pisces and Jup is the lord , Jup is exalted in Moons sign n hence Moon gets more power being in Pisces as compared to Saturn who is neutral to Jup. So majority of the strength will be with Moon and not with Saturn and in comparison Rahu who is an Upachaya house, hence Rahu is more powerful than Saturn and hence Rahu becomes Lagna lord and thereby your AL becomes Ge. My notes : Rahu is in his enemies sign & has aspect of his enemy but then this cannot be the sole factor. To conclude this maybe what my mentor said has some strength to it if we add what Patel uses as a snap shot method and that is of using SAV points as Tracing Paper technique to identify strength of planets and ur 2H has low SAV where 3H has 35. End in all ur AL could be GE. If someone has a more clearer explanation pls do write it would be nice to re-learn this. 1. Re the prediction that the debt was related to ur house and you posting it on the other list, I have not read it there, I only read few select messages of known or sometimes unknown members from this list and Sohamsa if time permits. Vedic-astro list is a great list but nowadays I find it too crowded and too many mails – it can consume 1 day to read each mail so I avoid all lists. On Most Lists People only criticizing for cheap fame or just wanting fame – both of which have nothing to do with astrology. Anyways what u would appreciate is the issue is not if my prediction was right or wrong, my pleasure is the technique worked and am happy that I am on right track atleast with consistency in using the similar method of thinking. 1. re the Ta of ur company name, I just missed it completely though it is seen and this technique is new to me. 1. I wanted to take up ur Mer which u said is good in ur chart, but I will take it up in personal mail and show its co-relation to other relatives and re selfs children. Will try to write by tonight. U wrote: You seem a little apologeticwhen you make predictions that are a little off. Please dont be - youare honest and you are diligently applying the techniques you havelearned - and that's all that matters for your own personal growth asan astrologer. I learn from my conversations with you (and others)and as long as thats happening, its all good. 1. Thanks for kind words but I think astrology is a very responsible field and wrong predictions or analysis can direct native towards taking false steps in life which can be very costly – many of us have seen this. A sage like person whom I met told me when he learnt that I had interest in astrology a) Take this science SERIOUSLY b) Apologize with true Heart for the wrong predictions even if one becomes big or is small in this science c) One takes on Sin of guiding people wrongly or due to wrong predictions as person is given false hope or he is guided wrongly. d) Teachers of this science should teach correctly as per their knowledge otherwise even that itself is a Sin. e) Always remain humble and do not seek fame – (he spent long time lecturing me that if one wants FAME & has EGO with this astrology then that person even after decades in this science has LEARNT ZERO of THIS SUBJECT Sorry for this mumblings if at all. Best wishes SJ , "vedicastrostudent" <vedicastrostudent> wrote: > > Dear Sunil, > My responses to some of your queries. You seem a little apologetic > when you make predictions that are a little off. Please dont be - you > are honest and you are diligently applying the techniques you have > learned - and that's all that matters for your own personal growth as > an astrologer. I learn from my conversations with you (and others) > and as long as thats happening, its all good. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 8. The logical conclusion since A6 is in 10H, so debt is > connected > > with Profession, but still trying deeper is ur debt connected with > some > > property (a4) or even aspect of 2H planets can give debt hence > family? ( > > I do not know how to see this and have not been taught, so just > using > > some wild imagination) > > > > > > I thought I already said that I had huge debt linked to my house. > > SJ: I don't think so u mentioned that ur debt was linked to ur house > > and I crosschecked it in ur mail also which I copy below. > > > > Oops, sorry my mistake. I had made another post about my house on the > vedic astrology group then. Well, thats an absolutely accurate > prediction to your credit then. > > > > The actual times are very well defined. In Venus-Sun I suddenly shot > > into wealth (7 figures, in dollars). In the very next antar, in the > > space of a few months, i.e. in Venus-Moon, I shot the other way, > getting > > a house, financial situation changing and going almost 7 figures in > > debt. That debt has remained and slowly increased through Venus- > Mars. > > Venus-Rahu was mostly ok - several things improved actually, > although > > debt never went away. As Venus-Rahu ends (now), debt payments etc > are > > threatening to overwhelm me very quickly. > > > > > > SJ: I am sorry I couldn't pin it down but then after the event has > > happened it is generally very easy to say that it is well defined, > but > > then to give an event many planets can be involved. No doubt > astrologers > > find it tough to consistently predict marriage time but justify it > > easily after the event has happened which is no excuse for my wrong > > analysis. > > > > Nothing to be sorry about. I didnt mean to imply that you couldnt pin > it down. I meant that the time of wealth earning was very sudden. > Meaning that in 1999 I had nothing and by mid 2000 I had 7 figures. > Thats what I meant - that it wasnt a slow accumulation over several > antars but a sudden accumulation (exactly and only in Venus-Sun) and > then a sudden loss. So what I am trying to say is that the Vim dasha > (or whatever dasha you choose or even gochar) must show the sudden- > ness. I personally feel that the pileup of planets in my 11th from AL > (AL as Ge, that is) is what did it because while all Sun antars have > been good for me (as Bharatji correctly deduced), there was no money > aspect to the others. But perhaps I'm wrong, I'm open to reasoned > suggestions.. > > > > > > > > > U have chara dasha from June to Oct End – I feel this could be a > > tough tough period though with ur AK replacement it is tough to > predict > > with surety as KN Rao didn't mention about AK replacement in his > > article. > > > > Which chara dasha? > > > > > > > > 10. When can this Debt happen – this is tough, now Sat and Moon are > > in2H and the dispositor is Ven who is in Marana Karaka stana and > also in > > 6H of debts, so Ven dasa can give the Debt, antars can be of Rahu > (karma > > stana of 6H) & another possibility is Mars antar as Mars aspect the > 2H > > where this combo is placed. Mars is in Kubera (wealth). > > > > > > As I said, I went suddenly and hugely into debt clearly in Venus- > Moon > > (late 2000) - 34th year. Things have slowly increased since then, > so you > > can consider all subsequent years are year of debts. Nothing stands > out > > in the 38th year (2004-2005). > > > > > > SJ: thanks for this valuable feedback I learnt something what I had > > missed out on. Can you let me know the month the debt happened want > to > > cross check it in the chart. > > Well I guess it would be late Dec 2000 that I officially went into > debt. Then there was another and massive tax related issue in March > 2001 which led me to increase the debt again by early April 2001. > There have been other periods later when I have slowly increased the > debt even more, but the above ones are the standout ones. There have > also been 2 times when I reduced it, only to increase again later. > > > > > > > > > > 11. Through another method A - 38th year of ur life can give debts > or > > the year will be called the Year of Debts > > > > 12. Did the debts happen in Dec of that year – am trying this for > > the first time and have no expertise in this so am testing this. > > > > 13. S (sa) , R(ra in hindi) or V (va pronounced in hindi) – have > > you been associated with these people or company names significantly > > – again testing technique. > > My wife, mom, sisters, dad all satisfy the above criterion. But not > my > > kids. > > > > > > SJ: Ok, can you indicate the starting Letter (akshara) of ur company > > that u are associated with. > > Its T (ta in hindi) > > > > > b) Or for a woman (Ven is wife) as Sat is on Ven which means > woman > > or Sister (some say Ven as karaka for Sister –read recently). > > My oldest sister since late 2003 had a resurgence of her mental > problem. > > It improved in early 2004, worsened again in July-Aug-Sep 2004, but > then > > was ok from 2005 early until now. Cant really say it is linked to > Saturn > > in Cancer. > > > > > > SJ: It is very easily linked to Sat even in 2003 (which I didn't > > write about with confidence), anyways to each his own technique. > > > > Ok. So then that technique is good. > > > > > Thanks for attempting my chart. I have personally seen that > predictions > > of my life are never really on the mark (except Zoran, a long time > ago). > > I feel that is perhaps due to my being Aq lagna, having 6 > charakaraka > > replacements (can you say something about this?), and also my Arudha > > Lagna being wrongly calculated. I dont think that my AL is Aries as > > JHora says. Aries with Rahu in it? Doesnt describe what people > think of > > me at all - I am far from being perceived as flamboyant and > aggressive > > as Rahu in Aries seems to suggest. I think that my AL is actually > Gemini > > with Sun & Me in it - this describes what most people think of me - > > analytical and somewhat aloof. Additionally, whatever money I > gained was > > actually in the year 2000, when all planets were positioned in > Aries in > > March-May 2000. If you take Ge as AL, then this corresponds to all > > planets in 11th from AL, a 35 bindu house. If you take Ar as AL, > then > > this corresponds to all planets in AL. Which is more likely to give > huge > > gains, planets in AL or 11th from AL - I guess the latter, correct? > Even > > more interestingly, later that year when all planets started moving > to > > Ta - 12th from AL (Sa, Ju), I quickly lost everything. > > > > > > SJ: Though I find it tough to understand that ur AL could be in > Ge, but > > the explanations u have given with practical facts seem to lean > towards > > AL in Ge and convince me. > > > > The reason I said AL in Ge was if you take Ra as Aq Lord and then > calculate the AL, it turns out to be Ge. In one example Sanjayji has > taken in his Narayana Dasa book (toward the end of the book with the > chart of some person who did a lot of computer work for the SJC, I > think), he does exactly that (he calculates both ALs, the AL-with-Sa- > as-Lord and AL-with-Ra-as-Lord and then takes the stronger AL - same > reasoning applies to my chart too, I think, especially with Me > becoming AK eventually). > > > > > Zoran is a very senior astrologer & infact 3-4 of the techniques > used > > above were of his own research material. But then am new to that > > technique so I guess. Haven't u tried Visti Larsen & his Guru > > Sanjay Rath they are very good astrologers. > > Sorry I didnt mean to say the others are bad, simply that a cursory > analysis of my chart generally hasnt revealed the truth. I dont think > Sanjayji's ever done my chart though. Visti might have, but probably > not with full rectification since he was very busy then.. > > > Hope you continue this kind of blind analysis with others as well, it > is an excellent and courageous way of learning > > Sundeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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