Guest guest Posted April 12, 2004 Report Share Posted April 12, 2004 > ...is there any quote by His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami > Prabhupada that refutes Ramakrsna as an avatar or in any way associated > with pure devotional service? Because Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu appeared, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, so many rascals have imitated: "Well, this Nimai Pandita, if He can become avatara, then why not Gadadhara Pandita?" This Ramakrishna, his name was Gadadhar Chatterjee. So he was also imitation of Caitanya Mahaprabhu. Where is the reference in the sastra? So far Caitanya Mahaprabhu is concerned, there are so many innumerable references, in Mahabharata, in Bhagavata, in Purana, in Upanisad. Therefore we accept Him as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Radhastami -- Bhagavad-gita 18.5 -- London, September 5, 1973 Therefore Caitanya Mahaprabhu is not liked by the hereditary brahmanas. They dislike. Whenever there is Caitanya movement, they pose another counter. This Rama-Krishna is a counteraction of Caitanya. Because Caitanya, the Vaisnava-sampradaya, accept Caitanya Mahaprabhu as incarnation of God, so they presented this Gadadhara Chatterjee as incarnation of Krsna, and by worshiping Kali. Bhaktisiddhanta Appearance Day, Lecture -- Los Angeles, February 7, 1969 ....the life of Ramakrishna. It is said that at the time of his death he said to his disciples, especially to Vivekananda, that "I am the same Rama, I am the same Krsna," and he took it. And he preached that "This Gadadhara Chatterjee, Ramakrishna." That's all. Then if he is referring to the original Rama and Krsna, so why not take the original Rama and Krsna? What is the proof? Simply by his words one can accept? Morning Walk -- April 5, 1974, Bombay His name was Gadadhara Chatterjee. So at the time of his death, he declared to Vivekananda that "I am the same Krsna, I am the same Rama." So they believed in that, without any evidence, and they started this Ramakrishna mission. Room Conversation -- June 12, 1974, Paris You may know also that Ramakrishna's worship of Kali makes him a third class man. In the Bhagavad-gita it is stated that one who worships the demigods just like Brahma, Siva, Indra, Candra or demigoddesses like Kali, Durga, Sarasvati, etc., are described as persons who have lost their intelligence. One person who has lost his intelligence, how he can become an incarnation of God? A person who has lost his intelligence, is not even counted amongst the higher section of society. So, the Ramakrishna is a bogus man according to the statement of Bhagavad-gita. Vivekananda was also not even intelligent man because he accepted Ramakrsna as incarnation of God. This Ramakrsna, who is actually Gadadhara Chatterjee, declared himself as the same Rama and Krsna. If he is accepted as such by some person, is he very intelligent man? Suppose a man comes before somebody and says he is Pres. Johnson. and the foolish man accepts the pretender as Pres. Johnson, is that man to be accepted as very intelligent man? Vivekananda was not even an intelligent man because he accepted Gadhadhara Chatterjee as incarnation of God without any credentials. We accept Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead on the evidence of Vedic literature. There is no evidence in the Vedic literatures that a common unintelligent person by worshiping a demigoddess Kali can become an incarnation of Godhead. The goddess Kali is divine mother for the conditioned souls, not for the liberated souls. There is no direction in the Vedic literatures that one can become liberated even by worshiping the goddess Kali. She is superintendent of the prison house known as material world. One can derive some material facilities by worshiping Kali or Durga, but nobody can become liberated by worshiping such demigoddesses, so what to speak of becoming incarnation of Godhead. So the propaganda that Ramakrsna became incarnation of God by worshiping Kali is not accepted by any authorized acharya and therefore it is a bogus propaganda. One who follows therefore, such bogus propaganda is also misled as far as his spiritual advancement is concerned. Letter to: Satsvarupa -- Los Angeles 25 February, 1968 Prabhupada: "I am God. I am the same Rama, same Krsna." Therefore his name is Ramakrishna. He was Gadadhar Chatterji, and he said to his disciple, Vivekananda, first-class rogue, that, "I am the same Rama, same Krsna." So he took it. This is evidence. Because Krsna says "I am the Supreme." So he said, "I am the same Rama, same Krsna." This is the evidence. If Krsna can say, he can say also. This institution is the most harmful institution for Vedic culture. Room Conversation -- August 21, 1976, Hyderabad So this Rama-Krsna is different from this bogus Ramakrishna. Rama-Krsna Bhagavan. They are actually the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and They proved it. Not that Rama-Krsna is dying out of cancer disease. Yes. We are not after such kind of Ramakrishna. Besides that, when there is real Rama-Krsna, why I shall go to the false and imitation Ramakrishna? They say the same Rama-Krsna. That's all right, the same, but I don't find any proof that the same. So why shall I take to this imitation Ramakrishna? Why not take this real Rama-Krsna? Srimad-Bhagavatam 1.3.23 -- Los Angeles, September 28, 1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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