Thread 4: A prayer, ---honestly speaking

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>No, this is simply a misunderstanding. In Kali-yuga Vaishnavas do not go to

the forest.

 

Thank you Prabhuji. This is the undestanding that I too have from Guru,

Sadhu, and Shastra. Kalikale Dharma – Hari Nama Sankirtana. Kali Kale Dharma

is not Varnashrama Dharma. Ofcourse we are not going to reject anything as

long as it can be used for propagating Bhagavata Dharma. Srila Prabhupada did

not shed buckets and buckets of blood to propogate Varnashrama. He

established ISKCON to propagate Bhagavat Dharma.

 

In the introduction to Srimadbhagavatam, Srila Prabhupada clearly explains, in

the conversation between Ramananda and Lord Caitanya, that the Varnashrama

followed by Hindus is superficial. Later when Ramanandaraya proposes

Sravanam, Kirtanam, Lord Caitanya agrees. Srila Prabhupada says that the

further and more advanced topics are presented in Teachings Of Lord Caitanya,

but the beginning of devotional service is Sravanam and Kirtanam.

 

Varnasrama is already present in some crude form or the other in all ages , at

all times, in all places. We do not have to make a special endeavour to

establish that. All Prabhupada wanted us to do was, to give Krishna to

others. Just by adding Krishna to our life, we automatically become a member

of Daivi Varnasrama. If there is a cobbler maintaining his family by

stitching shoes, by nature of work he is a Sudra. But he is not a real Sudra

until he adds Krishna to his life. If he added 16 rounds of Hare Krishna

Mahamantra, and follow four regulative principles, with out stopping what he

is already doing, that is maintaining his family by stitching shoes then he

will become a Sudra in the real sense. Varnasrama is included already in

Bhagavata Dharma.

 

I agree with most of your other points. So if we accept these points,

unbiasedly, then, you will have to withdraw your statements, that you made

against the Sannyasis, in your previous mail. Let us not say, that Sannyasis

are not fit for administrative jobs, only Grihasthas, are, etc. Sannyasi,

Vanaprasthi, Grihasthas, Brahmacari , Brahmana, Ksatriya, Vaisya and Sudra are

all bodily designation.

 

Jivera Svarupa hoi, nityera Krishna Das.

 

Let us not apply philosophy according to our perceptions and convenience.

When it comes to Sannyasis we apply Varnasrama, and when it comes to

Grihasthas we apply Bhagavatha Philosophy.

 

Now tell us whether GBC should be restructured according to Varnasrama or

according to Bhagavatha Dharma.

 

>The resignation of the GBC was proposed due to failure in performing their

duty.

 

Again I repeat my question, what is your measurable, for this qualitative

statement. I do not want to go through the whole cycle once again. I will

just give one example. If some one says, “Cakra” has become very Unpopular,

then what is the measurable. Somebody cannot make a statement by his

perception, and get away. We need data. If the data shows that since the

time of inception, every year the number of visitors to “Cakra” are , say the

last 3 years, are 200000, 100000, 50000 then we accept the statement. When we

have data we have a clearer picture, and then we can discuss problems and try

to fix the problems by mercy of Vaishnavas,Guru and Krishna.

 

So what is the scale or measurable that we have, to make the above grave

statement.

 

Some of the measurables, that we can have to find out whether we are

expanding or not are

 

For every 5 year period since the time of regestring ISKCON,

 

We should have some data like

 

1. No of devotees

2. No of books distributed.

3. No of Temples.

4. No of Farm Communities.

5. No of Namahattas/Bhakti Vriksha Groups

6. No of Holy Names chanted

 

Some more measurables we can have.

 

Then we can see a very clear picture whether we are improving are not

improving. May be we are doing very well in 3 of the above 6 then we can

discuss how we can improve on the other 3. Also it will clearly show, which 5

year period, have we really dipped down.

 

Blaming the society for our personal problems is not good.

Or blaming different departments/individuals for the society problems is

also not good.

 

We all have to work together to fix problems. When there is a problem, it is

not You or They, it is Us.

 

Your humble servant,

Bhadra Govinda Das.