Thread #6: Proposal by Krsna-kirtana dasi

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> I have been thinking that ISKCON may have to go to a bicameral system to

> address its needs. I like this proposal because the guru / sannyasi people

> deal with questions of "church opinion" (dogma) and their own standards of

> conduct while a separate body deals with procedural and legal matters.

> The only problem I forsee is the history of our leaders' failure to police

> themselves. If the HBC becomes an "old boys club," deviant behavior will

> have to be pretty outrageous before action would be taken.

> YS

> Bharatasrestha dasa

 

Action would be taken swiftly if we had a GBC administration-only body

responsible for monitoring all ISKCON gurus. That would be the equivalent of

a varnasrama system. As the chief administrative king, Maharaja Yudhisthira

would ensure that all the brahmanas were properly engaged and performing

their duties correctly. So it is natural that the brahmanas be supervised as

it were by righeous administrators, and it was also the system that the

brahmanas would correct the administrators if they deviated from the

principles of religion.

 

This varnasrama system is a very healthy system of checks and balances. But

in order for that to happen there must be a division between the brahmanas

and the administrators. The current structure of the GBC merges both

brahmanas/gurus and administrators into one super impossibly overloaded

devotee, to the extent that he eventaully breaks, as we have seen with fifty

plus fallen gurus over the last two decades.

 

The GBC structure has to revert back to the original varnasrama structure

which Srila Prabhupada implemented wherein sannyasis/gurus were not

administrative GBCs. They were free and SAFE to study and preach

constantly. And the GBC grihastha administrators were free to face

management problems. This is varnasrama and Srila Prabhupada specifically

stated that he wanted varnasama in ISKCON.

 

> "Caitanya Mahaprabhu recommended, sthane sthita. And if they do not remain

> in the sthana, then the sahajiyas chanting will come. The sahajiyas also

> have beads but they have got three dozen women. this kind of chanting will

> go on. Just like our ....He was not fit for sannyasa but he was given

> sannyasa and five women he was attached and he disclosed.Therefore

> varnashrama dharma is required. Simply show bottle will not do. So the

> varnashrama dharma should be introduced al over the world and ...

> Satsvarupa: Introduced starting with ISKCON community?

> Prabhupada: Yes.Yes. Brahmana, kshatriyas. There must be regular

> education.

 

ys

 

ada

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>Then you should take diksha initiation from your Guru Maharaja following

>His instructions and then your life will be successful, for this is not

>a small thing and should be taken very seriously, for the relationship

>between disciple and master is not a random one chosen by others it

>comes form you both in a reciprocal manner each knowing a little or a

>lot about one another before entering the fire

>

>"Krishna Dharma (das) (Manchester - UK)" wrote:

>> I want him therefore

>> to teach and train me, to act as my spiritual guide and authority. I have

>> no diksha guru (the shame of it), and in any event I wonder if it is viable

>> to have ISKCON authority deriving from diksha gurus, chosen at random by

>> individuals within the organisation.

 

fyi,

M. Tandy wrote:

> In summary, the Siddhanta-rahasya says that initiation (which

>Shri Govardhana-natha is said to have at that time ordered Vallabha to

>offer others) purifies jivas of all five kinds of faults (viz., those born

>of time, place, nature, association, and contact). Initiation is actually

>atma-nivedanam. It's absolutely necessary, for Bhagavan will not accept

>anything from those without any sponsor, while everyone must first offer

>everything to the Lord. Whatever is so offered to the Lord becomes

>nondifferent from the Lord, as all things flowing into the Ganga become

>Ganga.**