RE: Hara Krsna

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Dear Bhaktarupa das,

 

All glories to Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga,

 

Thanks for your replies. There have been gross offenses created at the

lotus feet of much more advanced vaisnavas than ourselves -namely Srila

Sridhara Maharaja, and Srila Narayana Maharaja by the GBC of ISKCON and by

extension Srila Kesava Maharaja. First it was created by the GBC with

Srihara Maharaja. Sri Rama das is right on this. His explanations are very

clear. The second vaisnava aparadha (against the wishes of Srimati

Radharani)was repeated with Srila Narayana Maharaja when the GBC accused

him of preaching Rasa Lila to neophytes and banned him from visiting his

siksa guru's temples. There is no proof of this and no devotee has proved

any thing that this is so. Telling the untruth on a great vaisnava is very

offensive. The GBC members you mentioned as below had all been there around

the bedside of Srila Prabhupada when he requested to see Srila Narayana

Maharaja. On that occasion Srila Prabhupada spoke to his siksa disciple

Srila Narayana Maharaja then he ask a favor of him. Srila Prabhupada then

told him "my disciples know somethings but not evrythingYou must help

them to know more." (Paraphase only). Now the founder acharya of ISKCON had

just given his first siksa disciple since 1947 and onwards, the position of

siksa guru- or consulting guru, an important position in a spiritual

organization where disciples knew somethings but more was to be learnt.

Srila Prabhupada knew also he was leaving the planet and even though

everything is in his books still there is need for qualified siksa gurus.

This is in line with the teaching of Srila Rupa Goswami and Lord Chaitanya

Mahaprabhu. They all had siksa gurus too. Even Lord Krsna. Do you know this

fact? I am sure you do know this. So the disciples of Srila Prabhupada were

given an additional consulting siksa guru by their diksa guru through this

final request and pastime of Srila Prabhupada. Also, another significant

request was made of Srila Narayana Maharaja concerning having the final

touch of his body and leading the samadhi ceremony of his siksa guru Srila

Prabhupada.

Srila Kesava Maharaja is also an intrinsic part in that it was he who gave

Srila Prabhupada the sannyasa order on the request of Srila Sridhara

Maharaja. Srila Prabhupada first requested Srila Sridhara Maharaja for

taking sannyasa. But because Srila Sridhara Maharaja knew his family very

well, having rented rooms in Prabhupada's house as a grihasta, he thought

that he should not be the one to gave sannyasa, beside he said he was too

close in many ways to Srila Prabhupada. They were bosom friends. Srila

Prabhupada loved and respected Sridhara Maharaja and in return the same of

Sridhara Maharaja. So Sridhara Maharaja knew that Srila Kesava Maharaja had

also left the Gaudiya Matha for the very reasons he had pulled aside. And

these three dovotees were in total agreement that they cannot associate

directly with others who have taken their spiritual master's organization

down the drain so to speak. Therefore these three do not form part of the

god brothers Srila Prabhupada spoke about which were not to be followed and

that were envious of him. So Srila Prabhupada agreed to take sannyasa from

Srila Kesava Maharaja. So he went into his association and cultivated love

and respect for Srila Kesava Maharaja. By then Srila Kesava Maharaja

established his own matha which Srila Prabhupada actually stayed and studied

and wrote books in. He was given all facilities and warmth by Srila Kesava

Maharaja. There was a young disciple brahmacari of Srila Kesava Maharaja,

he was intructed to give total respect to and serve Srila Prabhupada by

Srila Kesava Maharaja. So he took those instructions very seriously from his

guru. He served Srila Prabhupada very well and pleased his spiritual master

who was a dear friend to Srila Prabhupada as well. As an award for such

service, Srila Kesava Maharaja offerd this brahmacari sannyasa and his name

was Narayana Swami. This young swami later officated at Srila Prabhupada's

sannyasa celebrations about 4 or 5 years later. He did the fire sacrifices

etc under the orders and guidance of Srila Kesava Maharaja. Narayana

Maharaja also went out and got the sannyasa cloths and personally made the

first tridandi staff for Srila Prabhupada. He continued serving Srila

Prabhupada as if he were a diksa disciple of Srila Prabhupada. At this time

Srila Prabhupada had translated at least three Bhagavatams and some other

supporting books and Back to Godhead magazines. Srila Narayana Maharaja was

the first to read and accept the teachings of Srila Prabhupada as explained

by him in his translations. He therefore accepted Srila Prabhupada as his

siksa guru, although his guru was very erudite as well. So Srila Prabhupada

knew that Srila Narayana Maharaja is the best example of a vaisnava, who

understood how to accept the teachings of a living siksa guru-the person

bhagavat, quite apart from also accepting the diksa guru who is also his

siksa guru as well. Srila Narayana Maharaja has also stated that Sridhara

Maharaja is also his siksa guru. So he is also showing how to accept as many

siksa gurus as possible once they are qualified. So if one is really a

vaisnava in line with Srila Rupa Goswami, one will deduct that this was

correct behaviour on the part of Srila Narayana Maharaja. For this Krsna

awarded him at the time of the departure of his siksa guru Srila Prabhupada.

You see there is always service and rewards doing and deserving at every

stage of development in Krsna consciousness. Therefore he was awarded the

distinguished position to assist Srila Prabhupada in becoming a siksa guru

for Srila Prabhupada's disciples right after the departure of His Divine

Grace. So Srila Prabhupada by his arrangments made 2 siksa gurus, that

disciples can go to clear up spiritual confusions and apparent

contradictions which will always be there in spiritual life. Even though

Arjuna was Krsna's friend and devotee, yet he had apparent contradictions

and spiritual confusions. Krsna became his siksa guru and commander in chief

on the battle field of Kuruksetra, while remaining a personal friend and pal

to him. So a siksa guru is like that or can be like that, a friend and pal

and at the same time helping a devotee to understand that which seems hidden

but actually is not really hidden. It is covered by Yogamaya so that devotee

must first prove his implicit faith in his disa guru's orders. As that is

proven, the hidden truth is revealed by the siksa guru. Whereas the dika

guru although is a friend, he is not a bosom and equal friend. He is more

like a father. So diksa relationships are like

father-sons-daughters(parenthood) whereas siksa relationships are like

brother-sister-cousin and in also uncle-aunt. They are not going to force as

much as father is going to put his foot down with rod in hand. That is our

Krsna consciousness philosophy and positionings as well. Do not ever forget

these basic things. They remain always, but they are not always clear in the

daily activities of devotees, so we become confused and forgetful.

All these truths about Srila Sridhara Maharaja and Srila Kesava Maharaja and

his disciple Srila Narayana Maharaja were practically hidden from the mass

of devotees although some GBC men knew these pastimes and others have not

told us even though these GBC men are still around. Further they have and

continue to offend these pure devotees and personal friends and associates

of Srila Prabhupada. Anyone who offends vaisnavas whether they are advanced

or not, are actually aparadha (against the wishes of Srimati Radharani).

This means they have been cut off from further advancing in Krsna

consciousness and cannot understand more than they have already received.

Also, maya will step in and steal whatever knowledge they have. It is

actually the position of these GBC men, who have grossly offended these pure

vaisnavas and they by their activities some of them are actually avaisanava

not actually devotees ar all. This is the state of ISKCON GBC even now.

These pure vaisnavas have in fact said that the GBC have spoiled the effects

of the ISKCON Srila Prabhupada gave as they know the ISKCON he wanted to

make more than we do including the first disciples of Srila Prabhupada. So

this accounts for the gross activity of anyone assuming an advance position

such as sannyasa, GBC or guru in ISKCON. This means they either will be

acting as diksa or siksa gurus for other devotees. But some of these men

have not approached the original siksa gurus who Srila Prabhupada selected

to become the first siksa gurus of his disciples or have not approched

anyone not even other god brothers for siksa- true siksa- not Bhgavatam

class only-but when a problem arises they do not approach anyone for help

and direction. So how such men, can they be diksa or siksa to anyone the

swamis concluded. They must falldown and create havoc in the ISKCON Srila

Prabhupada created with their former help in very intrinsic ways. So yes

they are piece of the action according to Srila Prabhupada himself, and

therefore he awarded them the position of the first set of siksa gurus as

uncle and as older cousin. Only the disciples who have carefully considered

these truths and evidences concerning these original siksa gurus of

disciples of Srila Prabhupada and therefore ISKCON devotees, and have

retracted their offensive conditionings mostly given by the GBC and leaders

of ISKCON , will be able to immediately feel the inner bliss we onced felt

and things will become clearer and clearer for us. I am one such reformer

devotee in these regards and there now hundreds who are being restored in

this way. I once held your views but also noticed that it did nothing for my

advancement. Then I said let me really consider this thing again. Then all

the truths became manifest. We are never to minimise the actions of our guru

thinking them to be ordinary and just some form of courtesy or apologies to

others thus appeasing them. While that is ecternally so, there is also

hidden spiritual meanings and it is for the mature devotees to meditate on

and realize. There is a level of actions in spiritual life which is always

unclear and secretive in nature. This is also know as yogamaya. So yogamaya

should be taken as very challenging in nature. Every action has intricate

meaning when a pure devotee like Srila Prabhupada acts. If we continue to

minimise these truths and we accept the lies of others about these truths

without investigating ourselves, then we have gone against the wishes of

Srimati Radharani. Once that is done we are not really in line with Srila

Rupa Goswami anymore (Rupa manjari). They shut off the mercy coming to us

from them. Thats how it works my friend. Ask Durvasa Muni. For further

reading see.

 

Hare Krsna Om Tat Sat.

http://www.21stfreewebs.com/suggestions.htm

 

Siddhajana Dasa.

 

 

But I would also like to take strong exception to the extensive statements

of Siddhajana Prabhu. I would like to know from him on what basis he has

concluded that ISKCON does not have the blessings of Srila Sridhar Maharaja

and Srila Keshava Maharaja??? Just because he says that ISKCON doesn't and

the present prominent disciples of these two sadhus may also be saying that

ISKCON doesn't is conclusive proof? Is he so dear to these two sadhus that

he knows their heart and he knows to whom they are giving blessings and to

whom they are not? He is in present contact with them in the spiritual

world? If so, I offer my dandavat pranams.

 

What should be the evidence that ISKCON has or does not have the blessings

of Srila Sridhar Maharaj? Is it determined by whether his books are sold in

ISKCON temples, his picture is displayed in prominent places, and devotees

are taught about his pastimes? Is it determined by whether his present day

prominent disciples are invited to speak in ISKCON temples? Is it determined

by whether Siddhajana Das, his professed follower, is given special respect

in ISKCON temples due to his association with Maharaj? And the same for

Srila Keshava Maharaj? Is he saying that these sadhus are so selfish that

they want a piece of the honor given to Srila Prabhupada in ISKCON? Is he

saying that they are so narrow-minded that they are withholding their

blessings to ISKCON until they get cut in on the action? So who is the

offender here? Perhaps we should all recommend to this devotee that he study

very carefully the teachings of these two sadhus and then get back to us if

perhaps he would like to revise his conclusions.

 

This kind of "preaching" has been heard for decades now and it simply amazes

me that devotees are so gullible that they would fall for such a guilt trip.

Do we have some sort of collective responsibility for the actions of

Jayatirtha, Bhagavan, Harikesa and the likes that we now have to give up our

common sense understanding of how Srila Prabhupada wanted us to be a

separate institution from the institutions of his godbrothers? I guess it is

more than the leaders who have a shortage of independent brahminical

thinking!

 

Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das