Hara Krsna

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Like I said, we are low standard vaisnavas here in this conference. We don't

know how to speak or act properly and we do not listen to good advice. So it

is a wise decision that you are choosing not to associate with us too

closely, lest your bhajan be disturbed.

 

Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das

 

> If this is ISKCON present devotee preaching and representing Srila

> Prabhupada, no wonder hundreds are giving up that association and coming

> to Srila Narayana's Maharaja's association. It is more than obvious you

> are in the deep modes of ignorance and I shall not converse with you any

> more for fear that I creat offenses to myself. Once you start using

> mundane slogan like "give me a break" that is all nonsense speaking and

> does not form part of the vaisnava tattva. This is avaisnava language. The

> mere fact that you are asking where is the relationship with vaisnavas,

> this tell me instantly you have lost your spiritual connection and

> intelligence and I shall go no further with you. You are a great

> embarassment to your spiritual name. That is not in line with Srila Rupa

> Goswami Prabhupada. You sound no more intelligent than a ritvik preacher.

> Are you one? Ii sounds so to me. Well the ritviks preacher and the blind

> GBC followers are both fanatics and have lost sight of the linkage of

> Srila Rupa Goswami. Here is something that will set you off. I am related

> to Srila Rupa Goswami. I am also related to Lord Krsna by the same

> process. You have forgotten tah relationship and family connection by

> following persons who have lost that connection themselves. I guess in

> your next email you will be using four letter curse words to me you are so

> ignorant and avaisnava.

>

>

> GBC.Restructure (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Restructure (AT) pamho (DOT) net]On

> Behalf Of Bhaktarupa (das) ACBSP (Bhubaneswara - IN)

> Monday, June 25, 2001 2:45 AM

> Sri Rama (das) ACBSP; Steve Taylor

> Hara Krsna

>

>

> Sriramji, you may want to put this whole thread in Unmoderated, with only

> a note in the main conference.

>

> Dear Siddhajan Prabhu, Dandavat Pranams!

>

> > Thanks for your replies. There have been gross offenses created at the

> > lotus feet of much more advanced vaisnavas than ourselves -namely Srila

> > Sridhara Maharaja,

>

> But you missed my original points. Please don't avoid them. My questions

> are:

>

> 1. How is it that these offenses apply to anyone other than those who were

> involved when they occurred, plus those who knowingly supported them

> later? Please describe the exact spiritual mechanism according to sastra

> where one devotee is responsible for an offense committed by someone else

> with whom he is not related.

>

> 2. And even if it does, how do you know that the offenses have not been

> forgiven? And if they have been forgiven then your raking them up will do

> no one any good, most of all you.

>

> > and Srila Narayana Maharaja by the GBC of ISKCON and by

> > extension Srila Kesava Maharaja.

>

> 3. This and most all that follows is your speculation. We don't have to

> accept it just because you and a million others say it is true. And even

> if it is true, what business is it of yours? And even if it is your

> business, why does it mean that because there was some offense by someone

> in the past, we now have to accept someone you propose as our shiksa guru?

> Devotees criticize ISKCON's zonal acarya system for forcing gurus down

> people's throats through various kinds of guilt trips ("If you don't

> accept him as guru then Srila Prabhupada will be unhappy, because Srila

> Prabhupada appointed them!") Why is your attempt to make us all feel

> guilty any different? ("If you don't accept Narayan Maharaja or Govinda

> Maharaja or this or that Maharaja as guru then Srila Prabhupada will be

> displeased because they were very close to Srila Prabhupada!") So many

> speculations one after another, and because there is a huge group of

> speculators who all have come to the same conclusion, therefore you are

> feeling strong enough to state it in this forum of vaishnavas as if it

> were the word of God. Please give us a break!

>

> 4. But my number one question is why do you just assume that it is obvious

> that there are no bonafide gurus in ISKCON, therefore everyone has to

> accept what you say in order to be delivered, because obviously we don't

> have adequate spiritual shelter? This is the most preposterous assumption!

> Perhaps many devotees have left ISKCON because they could not find

> adequate spiritual shelter. That is their free choice and we certainly

> wish them well. I am genuinely sorry for any difficulty they experienced

> in ISKCON. Let them all serve their guru or choice and get Krishna! But

> that does not mean that others who have not left are bereft of adequate

> spiritual shelter. You may say that others over there are bigger and

> better spiritual shelters, but is that what is meant by preaching? "My

> guru is better than your guru!!!"? Sounds like children on the playground,

> but dressed up in pages of intricate historical details, most of which are

> easily disputable, and filled with gallons of condescension. Please do

> give us a break! We are trying to have a serious discussion here. If you

> have your shelter somewhere else then we all wish you well. But we are

> having a discussion here among lower-standard but like-minded individuals

> and the outcome will not really be of relevance to you. I really don't

> think it will help you in your bhajan to participate in these discussions

> since you have a much higher understanding of spiritual life.

>

> Your servant, Bhaktarupa Das