I dont think men should speak for what women want

[Guest guest]

Dear V-p,

 

Feminism is not some western concept of equality and freedom but

rather a universal human instinct.

 

I am a feminist because I am empowered by the Supreme Goddess who

stands equally on the altar with Krsna.

 

Feminism is a political movement that promotes social, political

and economic rights of women thru public education and legal means.

 

U might be interested to know that it is feminism that has fought

for the right to vote, education, daycare, maternity leave,

equal pay for work of equal value and property rights and legislated

protection from violence against women.

 

These are all 'traditional" and basic human rights.

 

Feminism is about choice and enables women to become astronauts or

homemakers. Sally Ride, the first woman in space is both as was

Mrs Indira Gandhi in India.

 

My grandmother was an illiterate village woman from Benares India

and yet always encouraged her daughters to become highly educated

and economically empowered.

 

As for vulgar language, I believe some of the most heinous comments

I've ever read about women is in the Isckon literature I've read.

 

Above all, Krsna is Always with me.

 

Radhe Radhe,

Mira

 

 

 

Venu-pani (das) KKD (Radhadesh - B)

[Venu-pani.KKD (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:22 AM

Mishra, Mira; GBC Unmoderated

Religious Interpretation

 

 

Dear Mira, thank you for this informative article and sincerity of purpose

whit which you are writing.

 

 

I wouldn't want to see women being opressed in the name of spirituality.

 

It is realy sad what is going on in some Arabic countries.

 

It is clear to me that there is a difference in cultures, and that people

that had certain culture for long period, and have achieved certain civil

rights are shocked to be forced to forgo their previous position.

 

I don't thimk that this will help those citizens develop love of God, or

love of Allah...

 

My writing was aimed at reminding ourselves that genuine sprirituality, true

devotion to Krishna, is not depending on external cultural circumstances.

 

If women may satisfactory carry on with their many roles, without creating

burden to themselves and their community, I am not against their taking high

positions in society. I am only raising question of how much this can or

needs to be balanced with their nature of mother. It is not as simple

matter, as some popular writers in early 20th century have thought. There

are psychological and practical issues involved that needs to be taken into

account.

 

To repeat, I am not against women having high positions, but I am against

avoiding honest and free evaluation of one's own nature, on account of

innertia of popular thought. Many women are nowadays forced to accept view

of feminists instead of alowing them to see where they fit, and act

accordingly. There is fear among women that they have to accept feminism,

otherwise they will be called primitive and brainwashed as you have done in

your short reply. Feminism was started as response on perceived violence and

oppression, but now it is hard to disassociate that same term 'feminism'

with oppression of many women, and of traditional cultures in some

countries.

 

IMHO, this is touchy subject. If there is to be freedom for everyone, then

there is to be freedom for those ladies who wish to preserve traditional

values.

 

If West has certain culture, why would it have to be imposed on Indian

villages or villages of some other countries that for millenia have

different culture? I thought that there is now a time to start respecting

other cultures without labeling them. If there is a violence, then this is

not a cultural value, but a deviation, and surely not religion.

 

 

Pax et bonum,

Venu-pani Das

 

ps.

(One small comment would be that vulgar language in America has connotation

of being "people's people", an honest and straightforward person, while in

Europe, it means that one is uneducated, primitive nonsense.)

 

Since with you writing you might want to reach out to people of differing

cultural backgrounds, especaly when writing to public forums in cyber-space,

I thought this info might be of use to you, for clarity and power of your

well-taken messages.

[Guest guest]

wrong

 

you are spirit soul and nothing else

 

as you sow so shall you reap

 

just keep trying to become Krishna conscious and keep your apparada to your

self

 

humbler than a blade of grass and more tolerant then a tree

 

your well wishing servant,

 

Bijaya Kumara das

-

"Mishra, Mira" <Mira.Mishra (AT) moh (DOT) gov.on.ca>

"GBC Unmoderated" <GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net>; "Mishra, Mira"

<Mira.Mishra (AT) moh (DOT) gov.on.ca>

Wednesday, October 24, 2001 6:41 AM

I dont think men should speak for what women want

 

 

>

>

> Dear V-p,

>

> Feminism is not some western concept of equality and freedom but

> rather a universal human instinct.

>

> I am a feminist because I am empowered by the Supreme Goddess who

> stands equally on the altar with Krsna.

>

> Feminism is a political movement that promotes social, political

> and economic rights of women thru public education and legal means.

>

> U might be interested to know that it is feminism that has fought

> for the right to vote, education, daycare, maternity leave,

> equal pay for work of equal value and property rights and legislated

> protection from violence against women.

>

> These are all 'traditional" and basic human rights.

>

> Feminism is about choice and enables women to become astronauts or

> homemakers. Sally Ride, the first woman in space is both as was

> Mrs Indira Gandhi in India.

>

> My grandmother was an illiterate village woman from Benares India

> and yet always encouraged her daughters to become highly educated

> and economically empowered.

>

> As for vulgar language, I believe some of the most heinous comments

> I've ever read about women is in the Isckon literature I've read.

>

> Above all, Krsna is Always with me.

>

> Radhe Radhe,

> Mira

>

>

>

> Venu-pani (das) KKD (Radhadesh - B)

> [Venu-pani.KKD (AT) pamho (DOT) net]

> Wednesday, October 24, 2001 8:22 AM

> Mishra, Mira; GBC Unmoderated

> Religious Interpretation

>

>

> Dear Mira, thank you for this informative article and sincerity of purpose

> whit which you are writing.

>

>

> I wouldn't want to see women being opressed in the name of spirituality.

>

> It is realy sad what is going on in some Arabic countries.

>

> It is clear to me that there is a difference in cultures, and that people

> that had certain culture for long period, and have achieved certain civil

> rights are shocked to be forced to forgo their previous position.

>

> I don't thimk that this will help those citizens develop love of God, or

> love of Allah...

>

> My writing was aimed at reminding ourselves that genuine sprirituality,

true

> devotion to Krishna, is not depending on external cultural circumstances.

>

> If women may satisfactory carry on with their many roles, without creating

> burden to themselves and their community, I am not against their taking

high

> positions in society. I am only raising question of how much this can or

> needs to be balanced with their nature of mother. It is not as simple

> matter, as some popular writers in early 20th century have thought. There

> are psychological and practical issues involved that needs to be taken

into

> account.

>

> To repeat, I am not against women having high positions, but I am against

> avoiding honest and free evaluation of one's own nature, on account of

> innertia of popular thought. Many women are nowadays forced to accept view

> of feminists instead of alowing them to see where they fit, and act

> accordingly. There is fear among women that they have to accept feminism,

> otherwise they will be called primitive and brainwashed as you have done

in

> your short reply. Feminism was started as response on perceived violence

and

> oppression, but now it is hard to disassociate that same term 'feminism'

> with oppression of many women, and of traditional cultures in some

> countries.

>

> IMHO, this is touchy subject. If there is to be freedom for everyone, then

> there is to be freedom for those ladies who wish to preserve traditional

> values.

>

> If West has certain culture, why would it have to be imposed on Indian

> villages or villages of some other countries that for millenia have

> different culture? I thought that there is now a time to start respecting

> other cultures without labeling them. If there is a violence, then this is

> not a cultural value, but a deviation, and surely not religion.

>

>

> Pax et bonum,

> Venu-pani Das

>

> ps.

> (One small comment would be that vulgar language in America has

connotation

> of being "people's people", an honest and straightforward person, while in

> Europe, it means that one is uneducated, primitive nonsense.)

>

> Since with you writing you might want to reach out to people of differing

> cultural backgrounds, especaly when writing to public forums in

cyber-space,

> I thought this info might be of use to you, for clarity and power of your

> well-taken messages.