Thread #8 - Proposal by Bhaktarupa Das

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> In any event, my deep concern remains. I still feel that the first thing

> we must establish is our spiritual integrity. Clear lines of

> accountability running right through the organisation that catches

> everyone who wants to be seen as an 'ISKCON preacher'. After we have

> managed this, and it won't be easy in my opinion, we can then think about

> varnashrama dharma, or getting the externals right. I don't feel that

> adjusting these externals will solve the problem of spiritual integrity.

> Indeed, I am very fearful that we will make everything worse by trying to

> apply our presently quite scant knowledge of varnashrama to ISKCON.

>

> Yhs

> KDd

 

 

 

Srila Prabhupada gave a LOT more than scant knowledge of how to implement

varnasrama-dharma within ISKCON over 26 years ago but NONE of his so-called

leaders/senior disciples followed the instructions nor made them widely

known to the devotees of ISKCON.

 

Your proposal for asrama (spiritual advancement) first and then varna later

is the opposite of Srila Prabhupada's recommendation:

 

 

Hrdayananda Goswami: So in varna-asrama college, this varna-asrama dharma

college, there are the two divisions varna and asrama.

Srila Prabhupada: First of all varna and when the varna is perfectly in

order, then there is asrama. Asrama is especially meant for spiritual

advancement. Varna is general division. It must be there in human society.

If varna is not there then this is a society of animals. And when the varna

is working perfectly, then we give them the asrama. ...asrama, that is

later on.

 

 

When the varna is "working perfectly".

 

Why don't we try to accept Srila Prabhupada's proposal for management of our

society (ISKCON and the rest of the world) which he gave us many years ago

instead of manufacturing all these other proposals.

 

(CWSP) Johannesburg Oct. 16, 1975:

Harikesa: How in the beginning... Let's say you have a king...

Prabhupada: Beginning Krsna.

Harikesa: No, no. Let's say you have a king, and he is deciding this person

is worthy of...

Prabhupada: No, no. Beginning Krsna. Why don't you read Bhagavad- Gita? You

don't know?

Harikesa: No, no. Yes.

Prabhupada: What is the social arrangement? What is that?

Harikesa: That Krsna created the four orders.

Prabhupada: Yes. So you make that four orders, and then society will be in

order. But you are not taking Krsna's advice. You are manufacturing your

hellish ideas.