Thread #8 - Proposal by Bhaktarupa Das

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Thank you Janesvara Prabhu for flooding this conference with relevant quotes

from Srila Prabhupada on varnasrama in ISKCON.

 

If one takes the trouble to read these wonderful instructions again and

again the simple clear conscept of varnasrama emerges.

 

At the end of the day our varnasrama restructure proposal to the GBC is very

simple: Implement the varnasrama GBC structure Srila Prabhupada originally

set up wherein sannyasis only preached and the GBC management was done only

by grihastas and the result over the next two decades will be that we won't

lose another fifty gurus owing to a back breaking structure that allows

gurus to become insanely overloaded to the point that they must fall.

 

It is as simple as that. No guru falldowns for the next two decades and

ISKCON will expand way beyond our greatest expectations. We might even see

the big temple in Mayapur rise and attract the attenion of the whole world.

 

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> > In any event, my deep concern remains. I still feel that the first

> > thing we must establish is our spiritual integrity. Clear lines of

> > accountability running right through the organisation that catches

> > everyone who wants to be seen as an 'ISKCON preacher'. After we have

> > managed this, and it won't be easy in my opinion, we can then think

> > about varnashrama dharma, or getting the externals right. I don't feel

> > that adjusting these externals will solve the problem of spiritual

> > integrity. Indeed, I am very fearful that we will make everything worse

> > by trying to apply our presently quite scant knowledge of varnashrama to

> > ISKCON.

> >

> > Yhs

> > KDd

>

>

>

> Srila Prabhupada gave a LOT more than scant knowledge of how to implement

> varnasrama-dharma within ISKCON over 26 years ago but NONE of his

> so-called leaders/senior disciples followed the instructions nor made them

> widely known to the devotees of ISKCON.

>

> Your proposal for asrama (spiritual advancement) first and then varna

> later is the opposite of Srila Prabhupada's recommendation:

>

>

> Hrdayananda Goswami: So in varna-asrama college, this varna-asrama dharma

> college, there are the two divisions varna and asrama.

> Srila Prabhupada: First of all varna and when the varna is perfectly in

> order, then there is asrama. Asrama is especially meant for spiritual

> advancement. Varna is general division. It must be there in human

> society. If varna is not there then this is a society of animals. And

> when the varna is working perfectly, then we give them the asrama.

> ...asrama, that is later on.

>

>

> When the varna is "working perfectly".

>

> Why don't we try to accept Srila Prabhupada's proposal for management of

> our society (ISKCON and the rest of the world) which he gave us many years

> ago instead of manufacturing all these other proposals.

>

> (CWSP) Johannesburg Oct. 16, 1975:

> Harikesa: How in the beginning... Let's say you have a king...

> Prabhupada: Beginning Krsna.

> Harikesa: No, no. Let's say you have a king, and he is deciding this

> person is worthy of...

> Prabhupada: No, no. Beginning Krsna. Why don't you read Bhagavad- Gita?

> You don't know?

> Harikesa: No, no. Yes.

> Prabhupada: What is the social arrangement? What is that?

> Harikesa: That Krsna created the four orders.

> Prabhupada: Yes. So you make that four orders, and then society will be in

> order. But you are not taking Krsna's advice. You are manufacturing your

> hellish ideas.