Guest guest Posted November 3, 2000 Report Share Posted November 3, 2000 > Dear Srirama Prabhu, > > We should add these quotes to substantiate our points in our final > presentation to the GBC: > > 1. > Prabhupada: Yes, sannyasi, brahmacari, means preaching. They are not meant > for material management. They have dedicated their life for > spiritual--although this material service is also spiritual--but they are > doing on such a strength. You cannot expect a very expertly management > and... But they act. Simply ask them to do the needful. > > Mr. Myer: That's right. > > Tamala Krsna: Yeah, out of desire to serve you, they carry out whatever > you ask. > > Prabhupada: They cannot be expert, these men, managers. They are not... > They are giving up everything. But as soon as there is big establishment, > we require a top manager. > > 2. > Prabhupada: No...I have explained. He (Kirtanananda swami) is...As a > sannyasi, he should live everywhere temporarily just like I live > temporarily. Aniketa. A sannyasi should not have a permanent place. > Anywhere he goes, temporary...Otherwise, as he has accepted sannyasa > order, he should travel, go and preach. And especially nowadays,I cannot > go everywhere. He can go, and recruit members. He can make propaganda of > New-Vrndavana to many persons, to the, I mean to say,foundations. As I > have suggested, make pamphlet. So he can do outside work very nicely for > developing Vrndavana. I second this proposal. This is important evidence that cannot be brushed aside. I think we should include other such evidences as was provided by Janesvara and others so that the evdicnce is stacked high against any resistance. It goes without saying that the weight of the evidence to support the proposal is crucial. ys ada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2000 Report Share Posted November 13, 2000 | |Ajamila.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net [Ajamila.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net] |Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:08 PM |Sannyasis in management |> Dear Srirama Prabhu, |> |> We should add these quotes to substantiate our points in our final |> presentation to the GBC: |I second this proposal. This is important evidence that cannot be brushed |aside. | |I think we should include other such evidences as was provided by Janesvara |and others so that the evdicnce is stacked high against any resistance. It |goes without saying that the weight of the evidence to support the proposal |is crucial. Two points: 1) Yes, we can include these quotes and others. However, someone will have to volunteer to compile a relevant collection. 2) Presenting the proposal along with a lot of quotes could backfire. As we have seen in these conferences, quotes are often challenged as not being relevant or as being out of context. Counter-quotes are also thrown up. There is the possibility of getting bogged down. Ultimately, this proposal is a management issue, I believe. This is not my firm opinion, but please give it your consideration. Your servant, Sri Rama das [srirama.acbsp (AT) pamho (DOT) net] [http://www.krishnagalleria.com] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2000 Report Share Posted November 14, 2000 > 2) Presenting the proposal along with a lot of quotes could backfire. As > we have > seen in these conferences, quotes are often challenged as not being > relevant or as being out of context. Counter-quotes are also thrown up. > There is the possibility of getting bogged down. Ultimately, this proposal > is a management issue, I believe. > > This is not my firm opinion, but please give it your consideration. > > Your servant, > Sri Rama das Why not just include the most pertinent quotes such as the ones Vaiyasaki posted? Those quotes are directly to the point and don't leave any room for interpretation. ys ada > 1. > Prabhupada: Yes, sannyasi, brahmacari, means preaching. They are not meant > for material management. They have dedicated their life for > spiritual--although this material service is also spiritual--but they are > doing on such a strength. You cannot expect a very expertly management > and... But they act. Simply ask them to do the needful. > > Mr. Myer: That's right. > > Tamala Krsna: Yeah, out of desire to serve you, they carry out whatever > you ask. > > Prabhupada: They cannot be expert, these men, managers. They are not... > They are giving up everything. But as soon as there is big establishment, > we require a top manager. > > 2. > Prabhupada: No...I have explained. He (Kirtanananda swami) is...As a > sannyasi, he should live everywhere temporarily just like I live > temporarily. Aniketa. A sannyasi should not have a permanent place. > Anywhere he goes, temporary...Otherwise, as he has accepted sannyasa > order, he should travel, go and preach. And especially nowadays,I cannot > go everywhere. He can go, and recruit members. He can make propaganda of > New-Vrndavana to many persons, to the, I mean to say,foundations. As I > have suggested, make pamphlet. So he can do outside work very nicely for > developing Vrndavana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 Dandavad. Prabhupada kijaya! Srirama prabhu stated: > 2) Presenting the proposal along with a lot of quotes could backfire. As > we have > seen in these conferences, quotes are often challenged as not being > relevant or as being out of context. Counter-quotes are also thrown up. > There is the possibility of getting bogged down. Ultimately, this proposal > is a management issue, I believe. > > This is not my firm opinion, but please give it your consideration. In the past few weeks I have had some opportunity to present some of the concepts we have been discussing here to several GBC members in India. One of the GBC members asked me about Srila Prabhupada statements regarding the GBC. I took the opportunity to go through again the compilation done by Ajamila prabhu. On the surface, it certainly appears that, at least up until 1972, the work of GBC could easily be seen as primarily "brahminical" and quite suited to sannyasis. My belief, however, is that seeing the present state of affairs Srila Prabhupada would support a move towards a GBC endowed with more "ksatriya" qualities. I'm concerned that if we do not analyze and present Srila Prabhupada's statements in support of our proposal then we may be faced with an immediate reaction that we are diverging from Srila Prabhupada's directions. The proposal begins "ISKCON's organizational structure must be based on one of Srila Prabhupada's original concepts: the division of duties of the householder community and the sannyasi group." If we are going to make a claim that our proposal is based on Srila Prabhupada's "original concepts" then I believe we must back this up with relevant quotes and also deal with the quotes that seem to indicate the suitability of sannyasi GBC. Your servant, Pancaratna das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2000 Report Share Posted November 15, 2000 > The proposal begins "ISKCON's organizational structure must be based on > one of Srila Prabhupada's original concepts: the division of duties of the > householder community and the sannyasi group." If we are going to make a > claim that our proposal is based on Srila Prabhupada's "original concepts" > then I believe we must back this up with relevant quotes and also deal > with the quotes that seem to indicate the suitability of sannyasi GBC. > > > Your servant, > Pancaratna das I agree with this, but then Sri Rama's point about getting bogged down with the GBC in an endless discussion about the interpretation of those instructions would be cumbersome is also a valid point. But if we achieve the latter, then at least we would be talking to the GBC, which is something we are not doing now. ys ada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2000 Report Share Posted November 16, 2000 > > The proposal begins "ISKCON's organizational structure must be based on > > one of Srila Prabhupada's original concepts: the division of duties of > > the householder community and the sannyasi group." If we are going to > > make a claim that our proposal is based on Srila Prabhupada's "original > > concepts" then I believe we must back this up with relevant quotes and > > also deal with the quotes that seem to indicate the suitability of > > sannyasi GBC. > > > > > > Your servant, > > Pancaratna das > > I agree with this, but then Sri Rama's point about getting bogged down > with the GBC in an endless discussion about the interpretation of those > instructions would be cumbersome is also a valid point. But if we achieve > the latter, then at least we would be talking to the GBC, which is > something we are not doing now. Perhaps it is best to simply remove the reference to "original instructions". Your servant, Pancaratna das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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