RE: Child molester

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At 03:14 PM 2/19/02 -1000, Babhru (das) ACBSP (San Diego - USA) wrote:

>Burke Rochford has researched this and found results similar to what Raghu

>describes. The gurukula where no abuse occurred is very difficult to find.

>I know of two: the one in Honolulu, Hawaii, which I managed from 1979-84,

>and the one in San Diego, California, which was managed by my wife, Satyaki

>from 1987-94. I hope there are more. If someone knows of any others, it

>might be nice to hear.

 

I don't know about *no* abuse, but apparently the gurukula at New Talavan

fared better than most. It appears that those who did better were run by

householders - preferrably with their own children - and not by renunciates

(I know the NT gurukula is/was run primarily by mothers). Another feature

was that the parents were usually close by. E.g. in NT many lived about 45

minutes away in the New Orleans temple and saw their children every

weekend. The worst situations were those that were run by renunciates

(sannyasis, brahmacaris and brahmacarinis and where the kids rarely saw

their parents.

 

>In the meantime, those of us who have little or no experience with the

>gurukulas are ill advised to dismiss their experience. We need to listen

>and to act. (I can't believe we still feel the need to say this!)

 

I share your sense of disbelief.

 

Sigh.

 

Madhusudani dasi

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> Burke Rochford has researched this and found results similar to what

> Raghu describes. The gurukula where no abuse occurred is very

> difficult to find. I know of two: the one in Honolulu, Hawaii, which

> I managed from 1979-84, and the one in San Diego, California, which

> was managed by my wife, Satyaki from 1987-94. I hope there are more.

> If someone knows of any others, it might be nice to hear.

 

The guru-kula in Almvik, Sweden was established in 1978, and has never

had any incidences of child abuse. It started as a full fledged

boarding school for children from all over northern Europe, but is

today a government credited day school. Also as far as I know the

school out side of Melbourne never had any abuse.

 

Ys, Jahnu das

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On 18 Feb 2002, Madhusudani Radha wrote:

 

> Sorry to be so graphic, but this description is nothing compared

> to what those poor kids had (have?)

 

I could make you graphics on what kids are experiencing in some countries,

today, that would makes yours -lovers/abusers- palling. You certainly know

that it existed societies to which such practices were part of life. But what

I am talking about was never socially accepted. It is much more horrible. What

I asked is where these orphans came from and what would have happened to them

if these molesters did not take care of them?

 

That was my question. I already told Raghu that I whish him good luck. I am

retiring from this topic. Good work to you also. I believe that you are doing

a great job by denouncing all these nonsense. We need devotees like you.

Sincerely. Akhiles

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Thank you for this. It's nice to have some good news. I'm happy for

them. How many kids went there prior to 82?

 

 

GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On

Behalf Of Jahnu (das) (San Rafael, CA - USA)

Tuesday, February 19, 2002 4:26 PM

Raghunata (John) Anudasa; GBC Unmoderated

RE: Child molester

 

> Burke Rochford has researched this and found results similar to what

> Raghu describes. The gurukula where no abuse occurred is very

> difficult to find. I know of two: the one in Honolulu, Hawaii, which

> I managed from 1979-84, and the one in San Diego, California, which

> was managed by my wife, Satyaki from 1987-94. I hope there are more.

> If someone knows of any others, it might be nice to hear.

 

The guru-kula in Almvik, Sweden was established in 1978, and has never

had any incidences of child abuse. It started as a full fledged

boarding school for children from all over northern Europe, but is

today a government credited day school. Also as far as I know the

school out side of Melbourne never had any abuse.

 

Ys, Jahnu das

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>The guru-kula in Almvik, Sweden was established in 1978, and has never

>had any incidences of child abuse. It started as a full fledged

>boarding school for children from all over northern Europe, but is

>today a government credited day school.

 

There has been at least one abuse case at Almvik, but it may not have been

in the gurukula. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Almvik did OK. Like

New Talavan, it's another example of a school in the midst of a householder

community. It would be an interesting project for someone to classify the

gurukulas according to amount and type of abuse (inc. "none") that occurred

there and then compare their other characteristics (e.g. contact with

parents, training and supervision of teachers, type of community...) to see

if any factors can be systematically identified which were associated with

child abuse vs protection. That could be helpful for anyone who may want to

set up a school in the future and would be a guide to parents evaluating

schools for their children.

Madhu

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Wow, I can't remember the last time any oppologized to me. I'm not use

to it. I'm sorry. I've lost track of what I've said to whom. These

emails can get a little impersonal sometimes and so you find yourself

responding to statements versus people and friends specifically.

Interesting how that works. Well, your encouragement and humility is

certainly moving. Thank you

 

raghu

 

 

GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On

Behalf Of Akhilesvara (das) ACBSP (Montreal - CAN)

Tuesday, February 19, 2002 9:39 AM

GBC Unmoderated

RE: Child molester

 

On 18 Feb 2002, Raghunata John wrote:

 

Haribol raghu,

Sorry for being a disturbance. And good luck in your fight. Definitely,

justice has to be called. --ak

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Raghunata (John) Anudasa wrote:

> Wow, I can't remember the last time any oppologized to me.

 

In this age, lots of us have a poor memory.

 

MDd

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On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Raghunata (John) Anudasa wrote:

> Wow, I can't remember the last time any oppologized to me.

 

 

In this age, lots of us have a poor memory.

 

 

MDd

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and lots of people don't apologize....

 

MRdd

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At 12:26 PM 2/20/02 +1000, Jahnu (das) (San Rafael, CA - USA) wrote:

> > Burke Rochford has researched this and found results similar to what

> > Raghu describes. The gurukula where no abuse occurred is very

> > difficult to find. I know of two: the one in Honolulu, Hawaii, which

> > I managed from 1979-84, and the one in San Diego, California, which

> > was managed by my wife, Satyaki from 1987-94. I hope there are more.

> > If someone knows of any others, it might be nice to hear.

>

>The guru-kula in Almvik, Sweden was established in 1978, and has never

>had any incidences of child abuse. It started as a full fledged

>boarding school for children from all over northern Europe, but is

>today a government credited day school. Also as far as I know the

>school out side of Melbourne never had any abuse.

 

Thank you for that news. It's heartening.

 

Babhru