Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 At 12:18 PM 2/18/02 -0500, McFarlane, Pam wrote: >We should stop calling these people by their devotee names because they are >not devotees. Very true. Unfortunately, I don't know them by any other names. But it would be ood to know under what names they established their orphanage, as well as the name of the institution. I have colleagues who are social workers in India and who might be able to file a report. >Is there not a temple near this area of India that could take >some action? Who is the GBC for that area? Informing the local media, police >authorities etc... Excellent idea. Who knows where exactly this orphanage is? >I do not follow the GBC conference. What is their response to this? I'll forward you some of the texts, but not much has been said. Dhira Govinda Prabhu answered the orinial question and Vipramukhya Swami suggested a write-in campaign as well as enlisting the help of the British ISKCON authorities (since some funding comes from the UK). Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Thank you for staying on top of this Madhu. Much appreciated. Where all all those fellows who talk of protection of the 'less' category now? It is a women no less who is jumping in to try an do something about protecting. It usually is. r GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley, CA - USA) Monday, February 18, 2002 8:17 AM McFarlane, Pam Cc: CAP (Child Abuse Prevention); GBC Unmoderated RE: Ananta Rupa At 12:18 PM 2/18/02 -0500, McFarlane, Pam wrote: >We should stop calling these people by their devotee names because they are >not devotees. Very true. Unfortunately, I don't know them by any other names. But it would be ood to know under what names they established their orphanage, as well as the name of the institution. I have colleagues who are social workers in India and who might be able to file a report. >Is there not a temple near this area of India that could take >some action? Who is the GBC for that area? Informing the local media, police >authorities etc... Excellent idea. Who knows where exactly this orphanage is? >I do not follow the GBC conference. What is their response to this? I'll forward you some of the texts, but not much has been said. Dhira Govinda Prabhu answered the orinial question and Vipramukhya Swami suggested a write-in campaign as well as enlisting the help of the British ISKCON authorities (since some funding comes from the UK). Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 > We can't just stand idly by. It turns my stomach to think about what > those boys may have to go through. I'm amazed you can even raise your head from the toilet bowl long enough to speak, thinking about the fact that every second of the day a child is being molested or a woman is being raped or beaten on this planet. The unique contribution of Srila Prabhupada is that he showed us how to once and for all end this suffering and go back to Godhead. You don't seem to have much interest in that, though, but are only too delighted to wallow in the filth of the material world. I resent your constant insinuations that those who don't jump on your bandwagon are uncaring, hard hearted and uninformed. If you actually cared about the abused children of ISKCON as much as you claim to, you'd try to promote Krishna consciousness instead of the values of the modern demoniac society with it's twisted, sentimental values. Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur said that there are no material solutions to material problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 At 02:51 PM 2/18/02 -0500, Dgovinda (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: >I think a letter-writing campaign is a very good idea. As far as where to >write, that's a question of strategy that needs to be determined by the >organizers of the campaign. I could look in the APVC files and let you know >the addresses to which the APVC sent the official decisions. That would be great. Thank you! >For >example, to send letters to the local police precinct in the province of the >orphanage(s) may seem like a reasonable idea, but they might just throw the >letters in the bin and not take them seriously. Good point, although we probably should send them copies too. Maybe it would be more likely to get their attention if we let them know that we've written to representatives of the media as well as to politicians and funders. They may not care about the boys, but they may be concerned about their reputation... >Perhaps the letters should be >sent to the Prime Ministers of India and England, expressing outrage that >they financially sponsor and allow to exist such an operation, managed by the >alleged child abusers (I am using the term "alleged" because they haven't >been convicted in government courts). Yes! Great ideas! >It might also be a good idea to send >letters to various media sources, such as the British newspaper that printed >a very favorable article about Manihar's orphanage, and emphasized the fact >that he receives support from Prince Charles. Perhaps the Prince would >reconsider his support for the orphanage if he received a few hundred >letters. Absolutely. Also, didn't the BBC just do a program on gurukula abuse? Maybe we could find out the name of that reporter? We can't just stand idly by. It turns my stomach to think about what those boys may have to go through. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 > Thank you for staying on top of this Madhu. Much appreciated. Where all > all those fellows who talk of protection of the 'less' category now? It > is a women no less who is jumping in to try an do something about > protecting. It usually is. Yeah, it's the mother instinct and living the philosophy in practice. ;-) Viraja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Jahnu (das) (Byron Bay - AU) wrote: > I resent your constant insinuations that those who don't jump on your > bandwagon are uncaring, hard hearted and uninformed. If you actually > cared about the abused children of ISKCON as much as you claim to, > you'd try to promote Krishna consciousness instead of the values of > the modern demoniac society with it's twisted, sentimental values. > Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur said that there are no material > solutions to material problems. > There seems to be no need to make personal judgements here, but Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Saradsvati Thakura gave his following observation, which has often helped me to choose my associations more wisely (Shri Chaitanya's Teachings, pgs. 22-23): "Worldly people possess a double nature. They express one kind of sentiment but internally cherish a different purpose. Moreover they want to advertise this duplicity as a mark of liberalism or love of harmony. Those who are unwilling to show any duplicity, wish to be frank and straightforward, or in other words exercise unambiguously the function of the soul; such really sincere persons are called sectarian and orthodox by those who practise duplicity. We will cultivate the society only of those who are straightforward. We will not keep company with anyone who is not so. We must by all means avoid bad company. We are advised to keep at a distance of a hundred cubits from animals of the horned species. We should observe similar caution in regard to all insincere persons." Mukunda Datta dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 The mom energy is amazing GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Viraja (dd) KKD (Wiesbaden - D) Monday, February 18, 2002 5:08 PM Raghunata (John) Anudasa; GBC Unmoderated RE: Ananta Rupa > Thank you for staying on top of this Madhu. Much appreciated. Where all > all those fellows who talk of protection of the 'less' category now? It > is a women no less who is jumping in to try an do something about > protecting. It usually is. Yeah, it's the mother instinct and living the philosophy in practice. ;-) Viraja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Viraja (dd) KKD (Wiesbaden - D) wrote: > I believe it is too simple, to say the least, to think that just chanting > Hare Krsna and being happy oneself will change the hearts of the child > abusers. Of course--the real action to be taken is to get them all doing likewise, through the guidance of self-realized bhaktas. However, even that cannot change someone who is determined not to change, as I think you already know. So are we ready to embrace the sacrifice this suggests? Srila Prabhupada said we should be ready to shed gallons of our own blood. It's really just a question of surrender--mine, yours, and everyone else's. Uncalculating surrender is a joy when its basis is really love. We can't do more than try it, or not, and neither can anyone else. In this way, it's all about inspiring others. > Some action must be taken even though it is said that there are no > material solutions to material problems. So in the meantime your preaching > KC is going to change the world there are some who take immediate action to > minimize the suffering by material means and it shouldn't be condemned. I > think both attitudes are admirable. Yes, but not all of them are of equal worth, and as soon as we forget why this pivotal fact is true, they all become equally worthless. Moreover, we have to decide--faithfully on the basis of what Srila Prabhupada clearly instructed us--whether it is really appropriate for initiated sadhakas to engage in social work that is more or less mundane--at best "dovetailed." I think a very strong case can be made that we should instead engage those who aren't eager to surrender as disciples in such karma-yoga, since pure devotees and compassionate preachers are so rare, yet render the most valuable service to society. Karma-yogis are plentiful, but I'm not sure that role is for genuine disciples. As much as it's ever possible at all, wouldn't concentrating on facilitating the latters' spiritual assets naturally further Srila Prabhupada's interests as well as those of others? Of course, if we're only talking about reporting real criminals, that's another matter, and I'm all for it. MDd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2002 Report Share Posted February 19, 2002 >> Of course, if we're only talking about reporting real criminals, that's another matter, and I'm all for it. >> That's exactly what we're proposing. The strategizing is simply to determine to whom this needs to be reported and what needs to be said by whom to make sure the reports are read by the appropriate people, so they feel motivated to take some action. I don't think anyone is advocating becoming full time social workers in Andhra Pradesh. But if we have awareness that a crime against children is likely being committed by former ISKCON members, many of us feel it's important to bring that to the appropriate authorities. Doing so will hopefully help those boys as well as help make sure that ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada are not seen as callous or even as facilitating this abuse. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 At 11:20 PM 2/18/02 -1000, Raghunata (John) Anudasa wrote: Moms ki jaya! >The mom energy is amazing > > >GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On >Behalf Of Viraja (dd) KKD (Wiesbaden - D) >Monday, February 18, 2002 5:08 PM >Raghunata (John) Anudasa; GBC Unmoderated >RE: Ananta Rupa > > > Thank you for staying on top of this Madhu. Much appreciated. Where >all > > all those fellows who talk of protection of the 'less' category now? >It > > is a women no less who is jumping in to try an do something about > > protecting. It usually is. > >Yeah, it's the mother instinct and living the philosophy in practice. >;-) > > >Viraja Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Madhusudani Radha (dd) JPS (Mill Valley, CA - USA) wrote: > >> Of course, if we're only talking about reporting real criminals, > that's another matter, and I'm all for it.>> > That's exactly what we're proposing. While I'm sympathetic, I think your detractors naturally question why you only respond to this kind of thing, apparently ignoring all others closer to home. Please don't take this amiss; it's healthy for them to do so, probably even a sign of genuine spirituality. MDd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 At 04:54 PM 2/19/02 -0800, M. Tandy wrote: > While I'm sympathetic, I think your detractors naturally question >why you only respond to this kind of thing, apparently ignoring all others >closer to home. Perhaps, but if so, that's a major assumption on their part - and one that happens to be incorrect. If anyone wants to know, all they have to do is ask. Ys, Madhusudani dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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