Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 What started those reunions was taken the most sensitive issues of our childhood --through newsletters, (I spent all my money on them) and finding our common cause first in justice and then from that, we began to see the difference between the abuse and Krsna consciousness and only then could we become enthusiastic about our KC. Resolving these life issues does wonders in bringing us to the next stage of our growth as devotees. That is what the reunions personified and why spent so much time and money doing starting them. If you went to the reunion in LA, we probably met. Do you remember? I'm very satisfied to hear that you enjoyed the reunions. Thank you raghu GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Braja Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:01 PM Raghunata (John) Anudasa; GBC Unmoderated Progress is there > Well, the guru-kula reunions and other reforms that have come of them > speak for themselves. You may not be aware of them either, but because > you don't about things makes them no less effective. I'm not entirely sure when the subject matter changed to gurukula reunions, but they are something I'm fully in support of. I attended one in LA years ago, and the mood was wonderful. I sat in the balcony of the LA Temple and watched a wild kirtan performed by the gurukulis. It was one of the most memorable moments of my life as a devotee. To see the energy and obvious joy of these young people was absolutely inspiring. That was many years ago, and since then I've realised that these reunions are a crucial part of ISKCON's future. If you're doing something to promote them, all glories to you. Now *that* is a worthwhile endeavour. > > Hope all is well. You too. Braja Sevaki dd > > raghu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 At 08:01 AM 2/21/02 +1000, you wrote: >since then I've realised that these reunions are a crucial part of ISKCON's >future. If you're doing something to promote them, all glories to you. Now >*that* is a worthwhile endeavour. I'm not sure where you have been the last several years, but Raghunath has from the beginning been at the core of raising ISKCON's awareness of the gurukulis' needs. This includes launching the reunion program. While I'm here, I'd like to comment that I find the tone of almost all of your postings, and Jahnu's really annoying. If you don't respect a member of these forums, that's your privilege, of course. But to spend so much time and energy vilifying more than one member (and, regardless of your personal lack of regard for them, they have been accepted by the society of vaishnavas and the spiritual master as devotees) is certainly counter to any purpose an "ISKCON forum" could be intended to serve. The most dangerous thing any of us can do is to vilify any vaishnava. Even Sachi devi had to approach Advaita, take the dust from His feet, and beg His pardon in order to be eligible for Krishna-prema, according to Sri Chaitanya Bhagavat. If your standard of devotion is higher than hers, you may be safe (though there's certainly no evidence that's so); otherwise, I urge caution. If you have a problem with someone, I suggest you either ignore them or deal with them privately. Please don't burden the rest of us with your incessant backbiting. Regretfully, Babhru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2002 Report Share Posted February 21, 2002 On Thu, 21 Feb 2002, Babhru (das) ACBSP (San Diego - USA) wrote: > I'm not sure where you have been the last several years, but Raghunath has > from the beginning been at the core of raising ISKCON's awareness of the > gurukulis' needs. This includes launching the reunion program. > > While I'm here, I'd like to comment that I find the tone of almost all of > your postings, and Jahnu's really annoying. If you don't respect a member > of these forums, that's your privilege, of course. But to spend so much > time and energy vilifying more than one member (and, regardless of your > personal lack of regard for them, they have been accepted by the society of > vaishnavas and the spiritual master as devotees) is certainly counter to > any purpose an "ISKCON forum" could be intended to serve. The most > dangerous thing any of us can do is to vilify any vaishnava. Even Sachi > devi had to approach Advaita, take the dust from His feet, and beg His > pardon in order to be eligible for Krishna-prema, according to Sri > Chaitanya Bhagavat. I second this. MDd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 > > > You're probably right; the questions may certainly seem rude. They > > reflect my exasperation at the way these forums are used. And I would add that if I have been rude, it is due to the very same exasperation, so my apologies if it offended you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 At 02:37 AM 2/22/02 +1000, you wrote: >Respectfully, I don't know where you have been for the past few years, >either. You either have a selective memory, or your judgement of past topics >is a little limited for some reason or another. Either that, or you don't >receive all the texts. > >I do not have 'disregard' for Raghu in the slightest. I have absolute >respect for his service. "Villifying" him? I wouldn't want to, nor have I. >So whilst you're entitled to your opinion, perhaps you would care to be a >little less forgetful of the 'incessant backbiting' that has reigned on >these sites for a long time, of which I'm also incredibly sick of. Coming >forth at this point seems a little hollow in light of the history of these >forums and others of a similar nature. Interesting that their similar nature >is highlighted by their similar membership. If it bothers you to hear that, >then you're obviously bothered by the truth. That's patent nonsense. My real question is, What do you hope to gain by your campaign against Madhusudani (and you and Jahnu did make some remarks about Raghu and mundane welfare work--maybe we all need to remember more). I'm sick enough of this bickering that I'm considering not renewing pamho membership. There's too damned much of everyone posturing and putting others down, and not enough real sadhu-sanga here. Y'all go on as you like. I'll make a filter. Babhru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I have another question, too: Don't you folks have jobs or service or something? How do you pay your bills? It seems as though you spend a lot of time at this, and I have to spend more time than I can afford checking your messages in the event there may be some substance--something more than "We're much better devotees than so-and-so." Babhru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 At 05:44 AM 2/22/2002 +1000, Braja wrote: > > I have another question, too: Don't you folks have jobs or service or > > something? How do you pay your bills? It seems as though you spend a lot > > of time at this, and I have to spend more time than I can afford checking > > your messages in the event there may be some substance--something more > > than "We're much better devotees than so-and-so." > > > > Babhru > >So your previously well-intended advice is for others only? You are happy to >become so rude now? You truly bewilder me, and I say that with absolute >sincerity. You're probably right; the questions may certainly seem rude. They reflect my exasperation at the way these forums are used. If they smart, I apologize. I have to admit, though, that I'm bewildered by devotees who go on these self-righteous campaigns to drive out "heretics." My 32+ years of experience in ISKCON indicate that these are usually personal conflicts, regardless of how we dress them up. The things you say about them are gossip no less than the things they say about you. You and Jahnu were earlier exhorting us to just think about Krishna and not get so worked up about Manihar. The fact is that and Ananata Rupa are among the worst abusers in the gurukulas, and now they're doing the same with other kids (no, not devotees, but Krishna's children no less). Some devotees think there's something that we may be able to do to stop the abuse by "devotees." If they have a plan that some think may help, and you're not interested, why not just say so and let it go at that? Why get on a self-righteous jag about how so many of us are less Krishna conscious than you? Look, I haven't met you folks except here. I don't know whether any of the stories (of which I have unfortunately heard some) are true or not. I'm saddened if there's anything to them, but it's not my business. I'm 54 and have little time for such things. I do, however, resent my In Box being clogged with all your missives that, however you dress them as "philosophy," don't advance the discussion at hand. And I'm convinced that vaishnava aparadha is responsible for most--if not all--of ISKCON's problems. Someone earlier suggested that ISKCON has no heart; if that were so, it would be because we have allowed sadhu-ninda to rip the heart out of ISKCON. That I do care about. However, since I live on an island in the middle of the ocean, about as far from any GBC members as it's possible to get, I will continue to chant my pathetic rounds, worship my merciful ista-devatas, and associate with devotees who appreciate sadhu sanga and the dangers of sadhu-ninda. And, since I have a very demanding (but not high-paying) job, I'll probably check out of this discussion until it has moved on. Your aspiring servant, Babhru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 In a message dated 2/21/02 8:09:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Babhru.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: << I have another question, too: Don't you folks have jobs or service or something? How do you pay your bills? It seems as though you spend a lot of time at this, and I have to spend more time than I can afford checking your messages in the event there may be some substance--something more than "We're much better devotees than so-and-so." Babhru >> I was wondering the same thing.... as the Christians say, idle hands are the devil's workshop......someone has much too much time on their hands. Perhaps time would be better used polishing the brass or sweeping the temple floor, instead of mentally strongarming the discussion here. The vitriolic tone that charaterizes these postings is counter productive even if they were accurate, which is in itself debatable. It is not preaching or sadhu sanga to ridicule the realizations or the duties of others, neither is it sentimental to treat others with respect, even if you disagree, for it is their journey not yours after all. This is simple Vaisnava etiquette. Respectfully, Kanti dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 On 23 Feb 2002, Kanti dd wrote: > It is not preaching or sadhu sanga to > ridicule the realizations or the duties of others, neither is it sentimental > to treat others with respect, even if you disagree, for it is their journey > not yours after all. This is simple Vaisnava etiquette. Respectfully, Kanti > dasi Your posting was so pleasing to read. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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