Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 > At 20/02/02, you wrote: > > > > > > If you truly understand the gravity of this situation, then please > > > commit this same energy to join our letters of protest campaign to the > > > appropriate parties about the abuse going on right now by these > > > monsters in India. > > > >How practically one could do this? > > > > > >- mnd > I will add my signature to anything, and I know many devotees in the UK > who will. The same in Germany. We have had lots of discussions after two abusers were exposed. I am sure that most of the devotees here will sign a campaign. > Amekhala, Jyestha and Gandarvika dasis' are all on the local CPT. They > have all been to seminars organised by Dhira Govinda in Radhadesh (I > think). They could help organise any petition. That would be great. Madhu, Raghu and the otheres, what do you think? Probably a new conference should be created that we can just focus on this subject matter? Y.s. Hariballabha dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Jahnu, I appreciate the sincerity of what you are saying, but it personifies the point I am making. You again mistake who I am because you have so misunderstood the real situation concerning guru-kula. You can only assume therefore that I am playing the victim here. It does not cross your mind that there may be another dynamic at play and so you have formed all these opinions and recommendations that have nothing to do with the sitation. You want to tell me how much you like kids and 'what is important' while there are kids being molested right now. Yet, you can't pause for a moment and say, what can we do to stop it. In stead, you prefer to talk about everything else but the one 'IMPORTANT' point: what can we do to stop this abuse. Even with all your "experience" you seem to have failed to recognize me, the guru-kula past and so you must act accordingly which is to be blaze about the present abuse. Everyone else can see this because we know the paterns of abuse. There are the abusers and those who empowered the abusers by shifting the focus and gravity of the abusers in the name of social protocols or 'spiritual' understanding. You do the same here now and therefore you refuse to jump on the band wagon to go after Ananta Rupa. If you truly understand the gravity of this situation, then please commit this same energy to join our letters of protest campaign to the appropriate parties about the abuse going on right now by these monsters in India. Can you join us? raghu GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Jahnu (das) (San Rafael, CA - USA) Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:19 AM Raghunata (John) Anudasa; GBC Unmoderated RE: Child molester Raghunatha wrote: > Don't mistake informed information as arrogance. You should know the > difference. With all due respect to your suffering as a child in the guru-kula, but I fail to see what the attempt to understand the suffering of molested children in ISKCON (or any children for that matter) in terms of Krishna consciousness, has to do with being uninformed. To me it seems much more uninformed to demand that the molested children be seen as nothing else but innocent victims in the hands of a cruel and inhumane institution. How is that going to help you ultimately process the traumas of your childhood and get on with your life? Any modern psychologist with respect for him or herself will tell you that the most important factor in handling the traumas of ones childhood is to stop seeing yourself as a victim and start taking responsibility for your own activities. You may say, how can I take responsibilities for my own actions when I am five years old?, but the answer is that you can. Especially when you get older and more wise you can realize that it was your own activities in a past life that put you in a position the next life where you suffered at the hands of cruel teachers. I realize that this is an extremely unpopular view in the present climate, but I want you to understand that this in no way means that I am not sympathetic to your plight or that I think the teachers were not at fault and should not be punished for their cruel acts towards the children. It is very easy to get some unenlightened person to pat you on the back and tell you how horrible it is that you suffered abuse, and let's go get the bastards, but frankly that will not really help you or anyone else. That will only help you to become more embittered and cynical towards Krishna consciousness, and serve to entangle you more in your own past. I am not out to smash you or berate you, please don't take this text like that. I weep when I hear what happened to our children, but sometimes I also get a little angry constantly hearing about it as if ISKCON wasn't seriously trying to do something about it. My childhood was not a dance on roses, either. I grew up with an alcoholic mother and had to take care of my two kid brothers from an early age because she always stayed out partying and when she finally came home she brought a new bum who wasn't afraid of slapping us around. Actually yours and my suffering is puny compared to the way most people presently suffer on this planet. When I came to Krishna consciousness my traumatic past all of a sudden became very insignificant and in light of Srila Prabhupada's wonderful teachings I was able to shed it like a bad dream. I realize it may not be the same for you, since you grew up in the system and thus have not had the chance to compare your two lives, but I can guarantee you that at some point you will be very grateful for having been given the chance of a birth into Krishna consciousness. Again, I am not trying to berate you, but you also have to acknowledge that I may have some experience you can derive some benefit from. I have myself three children. One son, who is now 22 years old, whom I had before I became a devotee, and a daughter and a son who are 13 and 11 respectively, who are devotees and attend the guru-kula in Sweden. Before I became a devotee I also worked with kids who were very troubled, whose parents spent their days at the local bar. I guess what I am trying to say is that I have experience with children. I like children, and now I know that the greates gift any child can receive is the gift of Krishna consciousness. I understand that you are a good devotee, and I wish you good luck with your life. I hope you will or have come to terms with your troubles past. Please don't think that anyone in ISKCON is not sympathetic towards our children. They are after all the future of Srila Prabhupada's mission, so you have a very unique and responsible task ahead of you in life. Mukunda Datta Prabhu quoted a verse that I think is wonderful in helping us to understand what is really important in life. I hope you don't mind me quoting it again. "He who sees everything in relation to the Supreme Lord, who sees all living entities as His parts and parcels, and who sees the Supreme Lord within everything never hates anything or any being. One who always sees all living entities as spiritual sparks, in quality one with the Lord, becomes a true knower of things. What, then, can be illusion or anxiety for him?" (Isopanisad 6, 7) Ys, Jahnu das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 I would like to know too. GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Mahanidhi (das) (S) Wednesday, February 20, 2002 2:33 AM Raghunata (John) Anudasa; GBC Unmoderated Can you join us--chid abuse > > If you truly understand the gravity of this situation, then please > commit this same energy to join our letters of protest campaign to the > appropriate parties about the abuse going on right now by these monsters > in India. How practically one could do this? - mnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 At 20/02/02, you wrote: > > > > If you truly understand the gravity of this situation, then please > > commit this same energy to join our letters of protest campaign to the > > appropriate parties about the abuse going on right now by these monsters > > in India. > >How practically one could do this? > > >- mnd I will add my signature to anything, and I know many devotees in the UK who will. Amekhala, Jyestha and Gandarvika dasis' are all on the local CPT. They have all been to seminars organised by Dhira Govinda in Radhadesh (I think). They could help organise any petition. Your servant Ananta P das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2002 Report Share Posted February 20, 2002 Radha is the new conference set up person. She what she says. GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net [GBC.Unmoderated (AT) pamho (DOT) net] On Behalf Of Hariballabha (dd) (Berlin - D) Wednesday, February 20, 2002 5:37 AM Ananta Purusottama das (UK); GBC Unmoderated Re: Can you join us--chid abuse > At 20/02/02, you wrote: > > > > > > If you truly understand the gravity of this situation, then please > > > commit this same energy to join our letters of protest campaign to the > > > appropriate parties about the abuse going on right now by these > > > monsters in India. > > > >How practically one could do this? > > > > > >- mnd > I will add my signature to anything, and I know many devotees in the UK > who will. The same in Germany. We have had lots of discussions after two abusers were exposed. I am sure that most of the devotees here will sign a campaign. > Amekhala, Jyestha and Gandarvika dasis' are all on the local CPT. They > have all been to seminars organised by Dhira Govinda in Radhadesh (I > think). They could help organise any petition. That would be great. Madhu, Raghu and the otheres, what do you think? Probably a new conference should be created that we can just focus on this subject matter? Y.s. Hariballabha dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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