Fwd: RE: The heavy artilary--: Braja Sevaki & I

[Guest guest]

> I still think the

> whole discussion was blown way out of proportion by Braja and Jahnu.

> If they don't like the fact that some of us want to use some of our

> time to write letters to alert local authorities and media to this

> fact, that's OK. They don't have to participate. There was never any

> need to start villifying victims (as per above) or "smash" those who

> wanted to help.

 

Just to clarify. I obviously didn't want to smash someone for wanting

to help abused children. That's a silly idea. What I wanted to smash

was the material approach to child abuse, like the one presented

here, which I felt is not the business of devotees who are supposed to

come up with spiritual solutions. I know that there are devotees in

ISKCON engaged in child protection, and I feel confident to leave it

to them. I don't need to join some hyped up, unauthorized campaign,

and I claim my right to not do so without being called heartless and

without compassion.

 

I already wrote a long text explaining that but it seems that the

focus somehow always ends up being on mundane sentiments. I would

really like to see the discussion rise above that. I honestly would.

 

Ys, jahnu das

[Guest guest]

>At 08:57 AM 2/22/02 -1000, Babhru (das) ACBSP (San Diego - USA) wrote:

>I'm forwarding this for Raghunath, who seems to have been locked outof the

>conference somehow.

 

Babhru, Thanks for forwarding this mail. I hadn't seen it either, but I

think it was due to some COM bug that affected all of us with COM

forwarding, not to anyone getting "locked out" (although people may have

been listed as "undesirables" by individual members). That was most likely

the case for Raghu too. I checked the conference status and he is still

listed as an "internet member". Another possibility is that some texts may

have been removed, in which case you probably can't comment on them either.

 

I'm glad to hear that Madhumati has been following the discussion. She has

much to contribute in the area of child protection. Since she seems to be a

good friend of Braja's, hopefully she can convince Braja and Jahnu that

statements like they made to Raghu:

 

> Enough has been said. Go away and do your mundane welfare work if that

> is what gets you out of bed in the morning. But understand that as

> long as you linger here with your unintelligent, unenlightened

> sentimental foolishness, I will be here to smash you. I am not going

> anywhere.

 

are hurtful and unvaisnava-like. As you pointed out earlier Babhru, this

whole "tempest in a teapot" started when Isvara asked about the rumor that

former ISKCON child abusers were currently running orphanages in S India.

We now have confirmation from Dhira Govinda's office that this is in fact

the case (both that they run orphanages and that the investigations

conducted by his office concluded that they were abusers. Copies of these

reports have been posted on CAP together with addresses to which we can

write. I still think the whole discussion was blown way out of proportion

by Braja and Jahnu. If they don't like the fact that some of us want to use

some of our time to write letters to alert local authorities and media to

this fact, that's OK. They don't have to participate. There was never any

need to start villifying victims (as per above) or "smash" those who wanted

to help.

 

Madhu

[Guest guest]

It was posted by Raghu!!

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

At 01:23 PM 2/22/02 -0800, Madhumati (dd) ACBSP (IC Canada) wrote:

>It was posted by Raghu!!

 

Haribol, Madhu! Maybe we received different copies. This was the header

that I received:

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Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:57 -1000

"Babhru (das) ACBSP (San Diego - USA)" <Babhru.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net>

Fwd: RE: The heavy artilary--: Braja Sevaki & I

 

I'm forwarding this for Raghunath, who seems to have been locked outof the

conference somehow.

 

Babhru

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Madhu