Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I'm not sure where you got this from Babhru, but it leaves me a little bewildered. Raghu and I were 3 days ago emailing privately each other and having some nice discussions, then he disappeared. Now I'm reading that he is of the impression I blocked him, which I didn't do. I'm adding him to the receiver list and hope he gets this, and the others I sent in response. > > I'm very happy to hear that you will be moving down to Cal. KD has >taken > > the US by storm and I guess now moving in the heavy artilary--you. As > > for Braja, yes, I had written a long, very friendly letter in reply to > > her enthusiastic support for the reunions, unfortunately, by that >time, > > she had programmed her computer not to accept mail from me any more. >It > > was late at night and so just let it go. > > > I would be happy to connect her with those who do them which is > > > something that happens at the last minute. I'll keep her (and you) > > > updated once I know who is doing what and introduce her (you) to those > > > who've been active over the years. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2002 Report Share Posted February 22, 2002 I'm forwarding this for Raghunath, who seems to have been locked outof the conference somehow. Babhru >Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:06:32 -1000 >"Raghunata (John) Anudasa" <raghu (AT) roopa (DOT) org> >RE: The heavy artilary--: Braja Sevaki & I >'Madhumati devi dasi' <madhu0108 >, Babru D ><williamr (AT) hawaii (DOT) edu>, > Bill Reed <wreed (AT) mail (DOT) sdsu.edu>, > "Babhru (das) ACBSP (HI - USA)" <Babhru.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, > "Anuttama (das) ACBSP (IC N.America)" <Anuttama.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> >Cc: "'Raghunata (John) Anudasa'" <raghu (AT) roopa (DOT) org> >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 >Importance: Normal > >Dear Madhu > >Points well taken. > >India is a back room boys club, true, but there is nothing that does not >have cumulative effect--even in India if not especially so. If we keep >our goals small, focuses, and relentless then we will be successful. >However, it is not about success. Women did not win their rights by >being practicle. They stood up when it seemed most likely that they >would be beaten down. That is true of civil rights, the over throw of >the communist of Russia, the American revolution against the British and >most every cause of genuine good. Prabhupada of course being the best >example of all. His task was genuinely impossible. > >The cause of rightousness often requires that we do it in the face of >seemingly impossible odds because it is about an act of faith rather >then a practicle calculation of business. In fact, it generally means >all calculations have to go out the window. It is an act of purification >wherein we sacrifice something dear to us to maybe (thought unlikely) be >successful. > >When I started the guru-kula newsletters, everyone, everyone means >everyone said it can't be done. Be practicle. ISKCON can not be >reformed, the GBC will not act, kulis will not be interested and it was >true--at first. Then it started, first small, a couple here, a few there >and then a few more, then one day, we had our first guru-kula reunion. >About 8 kids showed. The next year: 100 kulis showed up. The rest is >history. > >The 2nd point is finding that thing that can be universally agreed upon. >These teachers epitomize evil and the ways of abusers--put themselves in >positions where in they have free access to children to abuse, but they >rarely stop there. They then have to get the world to praise them and >defend their set up. I know the abuses of these teachers first hand over >the 6 years that they were mine. They are abusers--as much sexually as >physically and mentally. > >The 3rd point is that as one of their many victims, I must speak. It is >my duty to speak out much as a rape victim who sees their purpertator >again abusing others must speak out. It does not matter that there are >hundreds of millions of rapes a year. As a victim, you become the person >of knowledge about the abuser and the obligation of that knowledge is to >speak. > >Now that we have covered the moral ground. Now the practicle. You can >pay corrupt officials off as you suggest they may do. You can also bride >officials with a new school all their own if they get rid of these >abusers. More generally, ISKCON would be wise to use this case in place >of their own child abuse profile in India. Going after these guys would >be a powerful demonstration that ISKCON is now actively going after >abusers even after they have left the society no mater how big or >successful they may have become. It is a terrific public relations case >for ISKCON. This is just one of dozens of things that can playout as >this begins to unfold. There are enough prospects there to make it worth >looking into. > >What is important is that we act together. That is why it is so >disheartening to see some of these people detracting from these efforts. >If you want to help with child abuse reform, this remains the mother >case of all cases right now because it is an active case of child abuse >going on the world already known about and has left everyone intimidated >to act upon. That would start by working with your friends to better >appreciate the significance of this effort both morally and practicly. > > > > >Madhumati devi dasi [madhu0108 ] >Thursday, February 21, 2002 8:54 AM >Raghunata (John) Anudasa >Re: The heavy artilary--: Braja Sevaki & I > >Hey, Raghu: > >About the resume: I had been contemplating posting my letter publicly so >that's why I put all of that in. And I'm sure there are many things that >you didn't know I was up to! > >I'm very much a person who tries to find the middle ground in >situations, >so let me see what I can do. > > From your perspective, what do you think could be practically done >regarding the orphanage? > >Firstly, it's not an Iskcon project, and secondly, it's India. If such >an >orphanage were elsewhere in the world, I could see that we could have >more >influence. But in India where so much happens by the greasing of palms, >I >fear we would not have the impact required. > >Please excuse me that I haven't been following things attentively. Is >there >some organisation outside of India who is involved who could bring some >pressure to bear? What is Prince Charles's connection? > >Has Ananta Rupa's abusive nature been proven? Sorry, I'm not at home but >am >in Portland, Oregon, so I cannot access my files which show the results >of >all the completed Iskcon child abuse cases. > >I'd also want to ensure that we respond in a mature way that doesn't >reflect badly on SP and his movement. Any suggestions? > >Look forward to seeing once again in the near future. > >Heavy artillery devi dasi!!! >--- "Raghunata (John) Anudasa" <raghu (AT) roopa (DOT) org> wrote: > > So great to hear from you. I'm a little amuzed that you gave me your > > resume, given that I know all about in detail already like a big >sister. > > Of course I know who you are and touched and charmed that you would > > think I wouldn't or that you would take the time to share with me in > > this way. > > > > I have to admit that I felt close with you because of KD. Who is not > > charmed by that sweetie. She was my soap opera starlet through all her > > drama's in LA. I'll have to get her autograph one of these days. Lol > > When I see you, I see KD's charm. > > > > I'm very happy to hear that you will be moving down to Cal. KD has >taken > > the US by storm and I guess now moving in the heavy artilary--you. As > > for Braja, yes, I had written a long, very friendly letter in reply to > > her enthusiastic support for the reunions, unfortunately, by that >time, > > she had programmed her computer not to accept mail from me any more. >It > > was late at night and so just let it go. > > > > In short, I told how I"ve now moved on from an immediate active role >in > > the reunions given that they have now taken on a life all their own, >but > > I would be happy to connect her with those who do them which is > > something that happens at the last minute. I'll keep her (and you) > > updated once I know who is doing what and introduce her (you) to those > > who've been active over the years. > > > > Give my regards to Braja. I hope she can see the connection between > > staying actinve on fronts such as the boarding school where our ex > > teachers are still molesting students and the reunions. The reunions >are > > the direct result of kulis feeling inspired by the matter of justice > > coming into play. With out it, there would be no reunions. The same > > kinds of consolidation of community that we see of kulis will happen >for > > the older devotees between themselves and their preaching the more we > > tend to these seemingly unrelated issues of justice. You know this >which > > is why you have spent as much time and resources to the child reform > > efforts. I thank you for that as a devotee, as kuli and as a distant > > friend of yours. > > > > Raghu > > > > Madhumati devi dasi [madhu0108 ] > > Thursday, February 21, 2002 7:05 AM > > Raghunata (John) Anudasa > > Braja Sevaki & I > > > > Dear Raghu: > > > > This is Madhumati, Kd's mom. How are you doing? > > > > I've been following a bit of the discussion on child abuse, although >not > > attentively. BUT not because I don't care. > > > > Just to establish things: > > > > I'm the mother of four, two of whom are devotee engaged full time in > > service. One of the other four left his body while saving the life of >a > > young woman (therefore seeming to have an understanding of protection >of > > woman and youth). My youngest is 14. I'm doing my best to protect him, > > both > > materially and spiritually. > > > > I'm running the Child Protection Team in Vancouver. > > > > I counsel the young devotees there. > > > > I'm on the board of Children of Krsna. > > > > I recently took training in Alachua to assist in ajudicating cases of > > alleged child abuse. I also took, for the second time, Dhira Govinda's > > Vaisnava counselling skills workshop. > > > > I attended the first Family and Youth Conference in Alachua. > > > > I would like to thank you for all the work you've done in getting the > > reunions going. I know that those reunions were instrumental in > > furthering > > both Krsna-devata's and Govinda's interest in spiritual life. > > > > Braja Sevaki tells me that she's let you know she'll do as much as she > > can > > do to facilitate the youth. I feel the same way. It looks like she and >I > > and our families (her husband/my son) will be sharing accomodation >soon > > in > > or near San Rafael, so we'll be in a good position to work together to > > do > > the needful. > > > > Are you living in Hawaii now? I'll be over there in June so perhaps we > > can > > connect again in person over there. Or perhaps you'll visit the >mainland > > again soon? > > > > Affectionately, Madhumati devi dasi, or as one friend calls me, > > Madhumataji > > > > > > > > Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > > http://sports. > > > > > > > > > > > Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games >http://sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2002 Report Share Posted February 23, 2002 At 01:35 AM 2/23/2002 +1000, you wrote: >I'm not sure where you got this from Babhru, but it leaves me a little >bewildered. Raghu and I were 3 days ago emailing privately each other and >having some nice discussions, then he disappeared. Now I'm reading that he >is of the impression I blocked him, which I didn't do. I'm adding him to the >receiver list and hope he gets this, and the others I sent in response. I am sure where I got it. When I was at his house yesterday, he asked me to post it for him; he felt he suddenly had no access to the list, for some reason. There's nothing more to it. Babhru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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