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> That's a very good point. Many devotees with emotional and social problems

> joined the movement and thought that by chanting and following there

> problems will automatically disappear. As we all know it didn't work and

> it will never work unless such persons understand that they need

> professional help.

 

You would only be able to see that it didn't work with those for whom it

didn't Of course you're speaking in a general sense, but there are

individuals who took the philosophy and utilised it to change themselves -

if change is indeed the right word. It is possible, and there are examples

of this everywhere. Transcendence as opposed to 'curing'.

>

> One example is my former spiritual master who very much suffers under a

> post traumatic stress discorder he got from his childhood. He still thinks

> that he is OK and that WE all need a therapy and even offers his help to

> treat us. We still have lots of similar people in leading positions, but

> fortunately Srila Prabhupada is always there and of course, Krsna, The

> Supreme Controller.

 

Philosophy brings realisation. If the realisation is that you are God, then

who can help you If the realisation is that you need to deal with

something from your childhood, then the philosophy cannot said to be "not

working". That is part of the process - practising the philosophy brings

certain things to the surface. The philosophy works - the practitioners

often don't, then cry 'foul' and want their 'money back'

 

Braja Sevaki dd

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> > That's a very good point. Many devotees with emotional and social

> > problems joined the movement and thought that by chanting and

> > following there problems will automatically disappear.

>

> Actually the problems _will_ automatically disappear. I have seen the

> most crazy, scizophrenic persons join the movement and become normal

> by chanting the Hare Krishna mantra (at least they improved

> radically), but the problem is that when they stop chanting the

> mantra, or when they begin to ease on their sadhana, the craziness

> comes back. So it is really by not practicing Krishna consciousness

> that one becomes crazy.

 

You may have seen people who's problems who became normal again by chanting

the HK mantra and I am not going to question this here since I don't claim

to believe that it will not work, but I have also seen devotees who were

fixed on chanting their rounds and who are still mentaly disturbed since the

time they joined.

 

Just one example is a women who lived in the temple and who chanted their

rounds every day during the japa time (just for the prove that she did

chanting). She has quite mentaly problems ( due to a very bad childhood)

and after many years of watching her even the spiritual master asked her

last year to make a therapy. I don't know if she ever started, but I just

heard from the TP that she wasn't tolerable anymore and they forbade her

to enter the temple anymore.

 

By chanting offensiveless (what sems to me difficult) I am fully convinced

that such people are getting completely healed.

 

Y.s. Hariballabha dd

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> On the other hand, it isn't at all accurate to say that ISKCON has

> no heart, and perhaps not even to say that ISKCON has too little heart.

> It's a fairly vague declaration to begin with, made all the more diffcult

> by the fact that few (if any) of us can actually see into others' hearts.

> There are certainly some genuine saints in ISKCON--and some outside of

> ISKCON too. Better to be respectfully cautious always. We know that the

> absolute truth is revealed only to those whom He chooses Himself.

>

> MDd

 

Well said. Very nice. Thank you.

 

Y.s. Hariballabha dd