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> At 12:27 AM 2/27/2002 +1000, you wrote:

> >Yes but seeing as how this is an ISKCON forum, it alarms me that you want

> >to quote NM. Alarms, but doesn't surprise. Perhaps we should call this

> >conference Prabhupadanugas? Then those who are involved are left in no

> >doubt what it is about.

>

> With affection and respect, I think this is a terrible idea. The word is

> so loaded that it creates a platform for vilifying anyone who doesn't see

> eye to eye with me, since, after all, I am really following Srila

> Prabhupada.

>

> In fact, Srila Prabhupada and all the acharyas assert repeatedly that we

> are Rupanugas.

 

Well, that's understandable. I was unaware that the ritviks used the term -

frankly I don't follow what they're doing, I pay no attention to their

rantings, I don't read their postings or whatever, and I certainly don't

know what they call their 'websites' - it was Madhusudani Radha who pointed

out it was their 'name'.

 

So it was an innocent suggestion, and not one that was 'loaded' at all.

Besides that, I think the term was passed over a while ago. Mukhya liked the

suggestion "Vaisnava Discussions", and asked for your comment on that.

 

Braja Sevaki dd

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At 07:46 PM 2/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>At 05:36 PM 2/26/02 +0100, you wrote:

> > >Perhaps we should call this

> > > conference Prabhupadanugas?

>

>

>Isn't that what the ritviks' forum is called?

>Madhu

 

That's part of the baggage the term carries, and there's more.

 

Babhru

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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Babhru (das) ACBSP (San Diego - USA) wrote:

> That's part of the baggage the term carries, and there's more.

> Babhru

 

Speaking of gurus, disciples, and baggage, Sankaracarya wrote:

 

guru-caranambuja-nirbhara-bhaktah

samsarad acirad bhava muktah |

sendriya-manasa-niyamad eva

draksyasi nityam hrdaya-stham devam ||

 

"Become an unalloyed devotee of your guru's lotus feet,

unencumbered by baggage, and you will quickly be liberated from material

existence. Only from [so] disciplining your senses and mind, you will

always see the Lord in the heart."

 

MDd

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> At 07:32 AM 2/26/2002 -0800, you wrote:

> > However, I have seen that H.H. Narayana Maharaja has really

> > helped

> >a lot of devotees who were already down and out, so to speak. So

> >although in one sense, we can see that his followers are primarily the

> >rejects and losers of ISKCON, at the same time, he has been able to help

> >them now more than ISKCON could. The most unfortunate thing I've noticed

> >is that many of the same ones who caused problems in ISKCON are now

> >causing problems for Narayana Maharaja. Hitopadesa says one's

> >conditional nature (svabhava) stands out above everything else, no matter

> >how much reformation one undergoes.

>

> Ditto. My observation has been exactly the same.

 

Mine too.

 

Y.s. Hariballabha dd

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> At 07:09 PM 3/2/02 -0500, Akhilesvara (das) ACBSP (Montreal - CAN) wrote:

> >PS. Astonishing that it came from Germany. They are know to be cold and

> >rational :-)

>

> Hariballabha is an astonishing person indeed; clear-headed, rational,

> compassionate and warm - all at the same time.

> Madhu

 

Thank you for the flowers, dear Madhu and Akhilesvara Prabhus.

 

Y.s. Hariballabha dd

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