Guest guest Posted March 1, 2002 Report Share Posted March 1, 2002 (Braja asked how our guru/guru-tattva relates to our ideology, after I explained "vidya-vadhu-jivanam" as follows: "The key thing is that our ideology is alive; it has no real value if we remove its manifestation as a living, conscious, sentient, actor; this is why the bonafide guru is so essential.") > > The relation is our attitude and behavior, towards his Divine > > grace--who is Krsna incarnate in the form of His pure devotee (study this > > ideology in Cc. Adilila 1.44-61). How can bhaktas see Krsna as everything > > else (i.e., vasudevah sarvam iti, sarvam khalv idam brahma, etc.), but NOT > > as their own guru? Unlike realization of mere jnana, pure devotion > > involves real action :-), seva. All sevakas serve our sevya-bhagavan > > through our sevaka-bhagavan. This is "nityam bhagavata-sevaya." Our > > ideology is useless until it is applied, and our applied ideology is > > normative in this respect (i.e., how to respect one's guru); it's already > > well established. There are standard injunctions regulating worship of the > > bonafide guru, whom we are enjoined to view and serve as our manifestation > > of Bhagavan. Envious people become impersonalists because in bhakti such > > things are just way *too clear* for comfort. Same goes for those who lack > > faith. > That was a really nice explanation - thank you. Thank you, but just to emphasize that this isn't merely my own whimsical interpretation of the abovementioned passage, nor just a sectarian party policy or dogma of some sort, please allow me to quote from a generic Gaudiya prayer book (_Nitya-pATha-guTakA_, VRndAvana: ZrI HarinAmasaGkIrtana-maNDala, 1989), which contains various pranamas meant for daily recitation. Basing my Sanskrit translations below on the interpretations of that edition's Hindi translations, here are the mantras included therein for Sri Guru (3-4): DhyAna (meditation): kRpA-makarandAvitaM pAda-paGkajaM zvetAmbaraM gaura-ruciM sanAtanam | zandaM su-mAlyAbharaNaM guNAlayaM smarAmi sad-bhakti-mayaM guruM hariM || "I meditate on my spiritual master, Hari, as the embodiment of pure devotion, the repository of all qualities, who wears a beautiful garland and ornaments, who makes everything auspicious, who is eternal, has a golden complexion, white garments, and lotus feet endowed with the pollen of mercy." PrArthanA (supplication): trAyasva bho jagannAtha guro saMsAra-vahninA | dagdhaM mAM kALa-duSTaM ca tvAm ahaM zaraNAgataH || "Deliver me, O my spiritual master, lord of the universe; I am burnt by the blazing fire of material existence and bitten by the snake of the time factor. I have come to your lotus feet for shelter." (The praNAma itself is the well known one, "oM ajJAna timirAndhasya...") I have seen that such "deification" of the bonafide guru is expressed ubiquitously, throughout the authoritative literature of Gaudiya Vaisnavas, though it is also standard elsewhere, as I well demonstrate below. Here is another example of the same thing from a medieval Ramanandi (i.e., Ramanuja) text in Braja-bhasa, the Nabha-bhaktamala (mangalacarana 1): bhakti bhakta bhagavanta guru, catura nama vapu eka | ina ke pada bandana kiye, nasa-i vighana aneka || "Devotion, devotee, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and guru--these are four in name only; in form (vapu), they are one. Offering reverence unto their feet destroys myriad obstacles." Similarly, Chitasvami, one of the leading eight poets ("astachapa") of the Vallabha (i.e., Visnusvami) sampradaya, used to sign his many poems with his following signature line, in which he often revered his guru Vitthala (the son of Vallabhacarya) as Krsna too: chita-svami giridharana sri vitthalesa-vapu-dhari "Chitasvami, for whom Lord Giridhari has assumed the form of Vitthalesa, (sings...)" Those suffering from cult-membership-phobias may note that none of these sources are ISKCON sources, just as none of them are mayavada either; all of them represent ancient, well established (if diverse), and bonafide Vaisnava communities, like ours. It's thus appreciable that the respect given to guru as God is a universal one in generic Vedic tradition, and without need for further examples, I can also assert that it extends well beyond Vaisnavism too. I think Srila Prabhupada's books should be understood recognizing this broad, traditional context, and that we can benefit greatly from doing so. MDd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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