Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 At 06:42 AM 3/6/02 +1000, Braja wrote: > > Yes, but Braja - as moderator of the GD forum - is unlikely to post > > Babhru's, mine or your texts on the matter, so the granddisciples will > > never know about those explanations. > >To begin with, I think they'll get over the trauma of being deprived of one >or two texts > >Secondly, it doesn't seem to me (or anyone else for that matter) to be a >major quantum leap to understand that on Granddisciples we simply don't >promote other gurus' or mathas' books. If you have a problem with that, then >perhaps you would reconsider your membership on such a forum. It's hardly a >big deal, it's really just a simple little rule, but one that is considered >important. As we discussed with Ram Keshava's postings, whether or not >Tripurari Swami's Gita is the best thing since etched rocks or not is >neither here nor there as far as GD is concerned: it simply doesn't fit >within the conference boundaries. I'm not sure how much this line of discussion will interest many members of this forum. A great many of us (well, proportionally) have no access to the Granddisciples conference and have no context for the remarks about what may have happened with Rama Keshava. This discussion may be more appropriately conducted in that conference. Thanks. Babhru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 At 08:10 PM 3/6/2002 -0800, Madhumati (dd) ACBSP (San Rafael, CA - USA) wrote: > > Madhusudani: > > > she will > > > soon take up the job as manager of Mandala media (www.mandala.org), > > > which very much promotes (check out their website) the books by those > > > non-ISKCON gurus/sannyasis. I have no problem with that, > > > > I do. It is an overgoing pattern. It is like Algerian patriots. They call > > Americans demons while dressed themselves in jeans and drinking Coca cola > > with a straw. > >Excuse me? Am I understanding you correctly? Devotees have an opportunity to >work in a field that promotes Gaudiya Vaisnavism and you're comparing us to >Algerian patriots calling Americans demons? I agree with Madhumati here, 100%. I found this comment bizarre and offensive. I'd like to publicly caution all members to carefully avoid any personal slurs against other members and avoid , as if it were the plague, anything that resembles vilification of any vaishnava. That is the greatest hindrance in our attempts to understand how we may more effectively apply the science of Krishna consciousness. If you have a problem with another member, please deal with that member privately, if you can; otherwise, please bring your complaints to me privately. In the interest of candor and full disclosure, I should add that I have also done some editing work for Mandala, and I look forward to further opportunities to do so. They publish nothing that is contrary to Gaudiya vaishnava siddhanta, nothing that denigrates Srila Prabhupada or undermines ISKCON. In fact, the quality of Mandala's work makes their books and other projects very attractive, and makes Krishna consciousness very attractive to "outsiders." And they have published a book by Srila Prabhupada on Ramananda-samvada that's very sweet to read. If you only want to read BBT books, that's certainly fine; there's plenty to keep us busy for more than a lifetime in those books. But to slam Gaudiya vaishnavas for publishing books that present our siddhanta to the world strikes me as rather strange, to say the least. >Babhru prabhu, I know you have been pointing out already how "black and >white" email can be, and the above seems to be an example of this. >If the members cannot come to a consensus of the purpose of this conference, >I once again suggest that you close it down. Even without a consensus of the >purpose of the conference, surely it is not to belittle other Vaisnavas, and >to make assumptions about their lives which surely no one can know, perhaps >not even in person, but definitely not through email. As I've mentioned before, if the members can't come up with a way to justify this conference's existence, I will ask Mukhya to suspend it. I have no interest in or time for petty bickering. >In the meantime, I shall have to ask, once again, to have myself deleted >from this conference. This is our great loss, for which I apologize to Madhumati and all members. Your aspiring servant, Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 At 08:00 PM 3/7/2002 +0100, Mahanidhi (das) (S) wrote: > > > If not yet done, could somebody please help Madhumati Mataji > > > in her request? > > > > My dear Mahanidhi prabhu: > > > > Comments like this one are exactly the reason I wish to be deleted and why > > this forum should be shut down. > >Please do not judge my words so hastly. Personally, I would >really love if you would wish to stay here and participate. >But if you repeatly insist to be taken from this place, then >be it so. Really, then let somebody help you in your urging. > >Another thing is that the common practice is, if you do >not find one conference of your interest, and if you do not >have to be on, then you can leave it as per as your will >instead of constantly demanding it to be shut down if not >meeting your demands of its format. Have you ever thought >how that is so humiliating and intimidating to the others >members of this conference that find some interest in it, >to be simply shut-down as per as likening of yours? The real question is, prabhu, participate in what? A couple of devotees have said it would be a shame to close the conference down, but what is the conference for? A place for a few to post whatever they want without it being censored? If that's the deal here, I'm not interested. This is not a rhetorical question; will those of you have expressed an interest in maintaining this forum please give some specific ideas about what you think its purpose is. Specific ideas, please. Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 At 11:15 AM 3/7/2002 -0800, Madhumati (dd) ACBSP (San Rafael, CA - USA) wrote: > > Have you ever thought > > how that is so humiliating and intimidating to the others > > members of this conference that find some interest in it, > > to be simply shut-down as per as likening of yours? > >Even Babhru prabhu, the moderator, has been questioning the purpose of this >conference. Yes! Thanks, prabhu, for pointing this out to those who haven't gotten it yet. And I'm still waiting for some specific responses. Absent that, I am strongly inclined to ask Mukhya prabhu to put the conference out of our misery. ;-) Babhru das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 > > The real question is, prabhu, participate in what? A couple of devotees > have said it would be a shame to close the conference down, but what is > the conference for? A place for a few to post whatever they want without > it being censored? If that's the deal here, I'm not interested. This is > not a rhetorical question; will those of you have expressed an interest in > maintaining this forum please give some specific ideas about what you > think its purpose is. Specific ideas, please. I don't know. - mnd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2002 Report Share Posted March 8, 2002 > Yes! Thanks, prabhu, for pointing this out to those who haven't > gotten it yet. And I'm still waiting for some specific responses. > Absent that, I am strongly inclined to ask Mukhya prabhu to put the > conference out of our misery. ;-) It seems the time has come to deprive those, who are not well wishers of ISKCON and who are disrespectful towards Srila Prabhupada, of forums for their discontent voices. Offenses to the founder acharya contaminates everything beyond repair, so I think it is the duty of serious devotees to not give them liberty of speech in the name of being broad-minded and liberal, or in the name of trying to keep everybody "happy". Some devotee just don't accept or they are unable to understand the imperative in staying at the lotus feet of Srila Prabhupada. They are of course free to choose their adherance, but they cannot stay in ISKCON just to have an opportunity to highlight its faults. We all know the faults, and frankly I don't need people who are full of doubts and without faith to dictate to me their deluded viewpoints or teach me how to solve our problems in ISKCON. I will take advice from superior devotees anytime, but why should I accept advice from devotees without faith? ys, jahnu das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2002 Report Share Posted March 11, 2002 > Since "applied Krsna consciousness" is what applies to every facet of our > lives, it is an incredibly broad and unlimited topic and thus is far too > general. Unless there is a common reason for us all to be together on this > conference, besides the most incredible fact that we have all been blessed > to come into contact with Srila Prabhupada, I predict that even without > suspending the conference, it will die a natural death, or a few comments > will come in now and again but without the needed focus to drive it. I agree. It's a little limp ... I think there has been ample opportunity for it to be 'defended' and so far not one person has given any indication as to why it should be maintained. Perhaps that speaks for itself? Ys Braja Sevaki dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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