Diksa or Siksa Sampradaya.

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> He is better than those who challenge, "how exactly at the time of diksa

> all the knowledge" is transmitted.

 

And he may be better than those who turn the philosophy into

the ideology where one's own approach of understanding of

rather the complex philosophical concepts is being viewed

as the really right one, and where any difference in the

understanding on the behalf of others is labeled as "challenge".

 

> They don't understand, that the

> *entire knowledge is in the form of a seed*, at the time of diksa, and by

> proper cultivation, the seed develops into a big tree and bears fruits in

> the course of time.

 

In my understanding, the constitutional qualities of the soul

(such as his original spiritual form, his relationship with Krsna

and, yes, his original spiritual knowledge/consciousness) are never

really separated from the soul. But are always there, "in the

form of a seed" (to be poetical).

 

The Bhagavad-gita, verses 3.38-40, describes how the pure

original consciousness of the living entity is always there,

just being covered in different degrees by the lust. The process

of bhakti-yoga is there to purify the living entity from this

condition and to reawake this original ("dormant") Krsna

consciousness of the living entity. The formal initiation is

but (yes, necessary) part of that process. While the best

(and certainly even more superior way to the formal initiation)

is the chanting of the holy names of Lord Krsna.

 

So I doubt that it is the time of the formal initiation when

the soul is perhaps for the first time given that original and

pure Krsna consciousness (or "entire knowledge") in the form of

a seed that yet to start developing from that point of the "time",

into "a big tree"...

 

What happened, have be become the proponents of "no-fall" vada

theory? According to which, yes, we are yet to be given not

only this original pure knowledge of Krsna but everything else

(including the svarupa and the relationship in the spiritual

world too). It's the whole package -- take it or leave it.

 

 

 

- mnd