Limitations of Jaimini System

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Limitations of Jaimini System

 

Dear Sanjay,

 

Please accept my best wishes. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Bhakta-vigna-vinasha Nrsimhadeva Bhagavan ki jaya.

 

You wrote:

 

> Jaya Jagannath

> Dear Gauranga,

> Simply marvellous. I am very very proud of your work. You have

> understood the essence

> behind chart correction. It must fir siblings, children, spouse..Upapada

> etc are also vey

> vital. Make the Upapada for Capricorn and Sagittarius and you will see the

> great

> difference there.

>

> With Sagittarius Upapada is in Aquarius, having Atmakarak Rahu in it.

> Srila Prabhupada

> wanted two wives, and he took Radharani on the advice of his father. Then

> he wanted the

> other one also, but his father told him to bear with this one. No problem

> if he is not so

> atthached, he will be ale to renounce her later easier. So Aquarius has

> dual lordship,

> which may indicate the two wives. Rahu is in there, so that's the actual

> wife, but Saturn

> becomes the overlord, indicating that he wanted the other one. Saturn

> aspects Aquarius, so

> he knew her, nut he is in the badhak sthan from Aquarius, so he could not

> take her as a

> wife. Saturn is aspected by Pitrikarak Mars (both disposited by Badhakesh

> Venus), so the

> father obstructed him marrying her.

>

 

etc. etc.

 

On reading your statement above it struck me that certain prominent features

of the sub-set of the Parasara system known as the Jaimini system are

inherently limited in their use. They are not at all applicable to chart

rectification and therefore to use them in chart rectification is

meaningless. Here I am especially speaking about Bhava Arudhas and Varnada

Lagna and to a lesser degree Naisargika and Chara Karakas as well as special

Lagnas like Ghatika, Hora, Bhava etc. These are secondary methods useful in

aiding chart analysis and prediction but incapable of being used in chart

rectification. Let us for the time being forget about Srila Prabhupada's

chart and just dwell on the theoretical basis of what we are dealing with

here. The suitability of using Bhava Arudha for chart rectification.

 

1. We must first remember that Bhava Arudhas are not degree based but Rasi

based like Astakavarga.

 

2. It has been assumed by you and others that because 2 different lagnas

have different configurations of Bhava Arudhas then this will be a useful

tool in chart rectification to determine which would be the appropriate

Lagna for a person for whom sufficient data was known. That if one set of

Bhava Arudhas better explained (or helped in some way) then that Lagna

should be accepted. This is misleading and not correct. Rather than changing

Lagnas it would be sufficient, in many cases, to simply change the degree in

the rising sign thus changing some significant patterns in the

Shodasavargas. Thus the difference will be accounted for by Shodasavargas

which will be unique for every fraction of a degree in a Lagna. Researchers

in Nadi literature are of the opinion that the Nadis rely heavily on the

patterns of Shodasa Vargas. I have had several readings from the Nadis-Suka

Nadi, Kala Candra Nadi and Bhrigu Samhita. I taped the readings. They relied

on standard Parasara methods like Shodasa vargas not on the subset called

Jaimini system. While on the topic of Nadis, the only Dasa system used by

these Rishis was Vimshottari. I know that you support the preeminent

position of Vimshottari Mahadasha but some others do not.

 

3. While every fraction of a degree in any one Lagna will give different

patterns of Shodasavargas the pattern of the Bhava Arudhas will not change

for the *whole* Lagna.

 

4. It seems to be assumed, at some level, that everyone born on the same day

with the same lagna will have the same life. Hence the need to change the

Lagna in order to describe a different life.

 

5. But persons born on the same day with same lagna and same set of Bhava

Arudhas (and Varnada Lagna) will not have the same life because they will

have a different pattern of Shodasavargas.

 

6. Shodasavarga is like a finger print and is unique for each individual

person, especially if we take Nadi Amsas, but Bhava Arudha like Astakavarga

are generic for all persons born on the same day with the same Lagna.

 

7. Since some Jaimini methods like Bhava Arudha are generic they are not at

all appropriate for use in chart rectification hence no meaning can be

attached to chart rectification arguments based on Bhava Arudha. This does

not mean that generic methods like Astakavarga and Bhava Arudha have no

utility, they do, but not in the context that you have been trying to use

them in.

 

Let me now demonstrate my point with some real life examples (which is very

different from the "20/20 vision" world of postmortem astrology). Below are

the birth data of two sets of twins. The birth time was very accurately

recorded. The Lagnas differ in one case by less than a degree. You will

quickly see that the Astakavarga plus the various Jaimini methods of Bhava

Arudhas, Chara karakas Varnada Lagna etc are identical for each set of

twins. Special Lagnas like Hora, Bhava, and Ghatika will vary from each

exactly as much as the Janma Lagnas do. The same goes for Prana Pada. Though

the Bhava Arudhas etc are identical when looking at each set of twins they

did not have the same lives rather they had some very remarkable

differences.

 

Sanjay Prabhu please tell me based on Jaimini system (padas etc) what is the

difference in the lives of these two men?

 

Male 1:

July 11, 1953 @ 11:25 AM, CST, Houston, TX, 98W22, 29N46

 

Male 2:

July 11, 1953 @ 11:28 AM, CST, Houston, TX, 98W22, 29N46

 

 

Sanjay Prabhu please tell me based on Jaimini system (padas etc) what is the

difference in the lives of these two women?

 

Woman 1:

July 20, 1967, @ 11:45 AM, New Delhi, 77E12, 28N36

 

Woman 2:

July 20, 1967, @ 11:55 AM, New Delhi, 77E12, 28N36

 

 

Sanjay Prabhu can you can explain to me the non-trivial differences in the

lives of these people using Jaimini system as you were doing above in the

case of Srila Prabhupada? I beg to remain...

 

 

 

Yours in the service of my eternal master Srila Prabhupada

 

Shyamasundara Dasa

 

 

PS can someone forward these to the .

 

PPS For those of you who don't know what Upapada is, it is the Arudha of the

12th house. The Arudha in Jaimini is found by counting as many houses from

the planet as it is from the house it owns. Thus if Jupiter rules the 12 and

he is in Simha, the 9th from Dhanus the 12th house, then Upapada would be

the 9th from Simha, that is Mesha. There also some exceptions to this rule.

Arudhas can be found for all the Bhavas, hence the term Bhava Arudha.

 

 

 

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