Guest guest Posted October 4, 2002 Report Share Posted October 4, 2002 I cannot join to vedic astrology i think it is moderated now This is my reply: Dear Sanjay, Jaya Jagannatha! I feel very sorry that I can find you in this condition and consciousness where you have resorted to the ultimate tool in astrological deception and that is astrological manipulation with other person's horoscope to fit your own goals. You have conveniently removed me from Vedic-astrology and other groups that I was member of on so that you can continue to spread lies about me (this time directly, before through Robert and Laxmi) without giving me chance to at least present my point of view and defend myself. Mercifully you were sending me only messages where you are blaspheming me without giving me a chance to say something This is gentlemanly of you. >The Guru being the representive head of > the Satya Peetha (Lagna) was not allowed to have anything to do with > the Maya Peetha (AL) which was normally looked after/headed by one of > the senior Sisya. If that is so, than why are you involving yourself in this? I had a discussion with Robert and I was keeping you out of picture but of course seeing that Robert couldn't offer any arguments to prove his allegations against me you have fallen down from your "Guru" position and now are taking role of your Sisya and now starting new allegations against me. Is that how a "Guru", like you are to portray yourself, should behave? Don't you think that you are contradicting yourself here? >The Guru would concern himself with the Major > activity of the propagation of knowledge and the admission and exit > of people into the Center. So why don't you please concentrate on spreading knowledge and stop manipulate your students, smoking cigarettes, drinking tea, and all these tamastic things? > The entire management of the Center rested > with the other head. In similar lines, we have nothing to do with the > creation or running of these Centers and have given the > responsibility to others. One such responsibility was given to > Dinanath Das who with the help of Kusa Devi was to form SJVC in the > USA. Thank you very much for finally admitting that Kusa and myself registered SJVC-USA on your order. What you just said proves that Laxmi lied to Narayan Iyer and other when she was telling them that I opened SJVC-USA on my own desire and that is my personal organization. Thank you very much for this clarification. Now it is very clear to everyone, especially to Narayan that Laxmi LIED. Laxmi also lied to you to come to SJVC initially, she told you that Kusa has recommended her and on that basis you admitted her to SJVC. When you later told Kusa that you accepted Laxmi on her recommendation she was amazed (I was also there present with you and Kusha in Delhi when she was discussing this with you) and Kusa than told you that Laxmi was LYING to you. Now that you have clarified that Laxmi was LYING also about me we can conclude that she is a LIAR and continue further. > It was but natural that when the formation of this was taking an > inordinately long time, we decided to request Sri Brendan Feeley to > organise this. Organization was registered within few months from the time when you requested us and than Kusa was selling your books and tapes in the name of SJVC. Your organization in the USA now is not doing much more than what Kusa was doing, except 2 conferences that you had, and the idea for the conference came from me, and when I visited USA 1 year ago I spoke to Brendan about it and they organized it. If I've lived in USA I could've also organized big conference but you never gave me a chance. Before I left Delhi at the end of April you told me that I am in charge for SJVC International affairs and that I should finalize SJVC-USA registration and when I came to USA you offered me a big surprise. > Kusa Devi has become the head of > the Hawaii temple and that is a full time responsibility. She is > working hard to spread the Mahamantra, a task which befits her > spiritual development and sincerity. It would not be in the best > interests of either ISKCON or us that we request her to look after > SJVC. That is only your perception, Kusa is still enthusiastically involved and is helping and want to help in the future SJVC activities. For some reason I can see that subtly you want to keep her out from SJVC. > The President and Secretary are to be the real executives of > SJVC, and perhaps, as Narasimha had pointed out, there should be a > treasurer who shall be responsible for audit and financial > management. Thus, for the (a) USA, the President & Secretary shall be > Dr.Brendan Feeley & Lakshmi Devi respectively, and for (b) Ireland, > the President & Secretary(s) shall be John and Fiona & Helen > respectively. This is simply false and misleading statement. For any non-profit organization it is a legal requirement that an independent auditor shall audit organization's accounts and not the Treasurer like you are saying. I guess this speak for itself of your real intentions for SJVC. SJVC-USA has it's accounts audited by independent auditing company and yearly tax filled with IRS. All these has been done by Kusa devi. Accounts of any non-profit organization have to be publicly available and not only for privileged donors, like you are saying. A non-profit organization as it's name says it is not meant for profit or gain (direct or indirect) of any individual and therefore it's accounts are not a business secret. On request it's accounts should be available to public. Maybe you are not registering non-profit but for-profit organization in USA which would than fit the description of the organization that you are mentioning and in that case it is again very clear what is the purpose of your organization. > We had been advised that there can be separate organisations > registered for each state just as it was done for ISKCON, so that if > one is sued, the others do not have to pay. See how much the church > has to pay for lack of this legal foresight. Srila Prabhupada had > also agreed to this. Based on the name of Prabhupada, I had agreed > initially, but then this is grossly wrong. If a person representing > the organisation is getting sued for misdeed, then th organisation > should ake the responsibility of not having handled this properly or > not having had strict rules about its functioning. Just because there > is a loophole in the law does not mean that we should exploit it. First of all it is not a loophole in law like you are saying. This is US law and not Indian law. Secondly if one branch of organization gets sued because of misconduct of an individual that is working against principles of organization than why should the innocent individuals and the whole organization suffer? Now seeing that something you said earlier doesn't fit your present goals you are changing your mind again and contradicting yourself, just like your Jyotish predictions. >I > have been a lawmaker in India for many years working with major > structural reforms in the economy and cannot agree to this any > further. Sanjay you were not a lawmaker in India. You have an engineering degree and not law degree. Please don't contradict yourself. You started with clerical post in Food ministry. As you said you were instrumental in liberalizing sugar trade. If you call this major structural economical reforms than fine. > If someone representing the organisation has done a misdeed, > then the organisation has to accept the responsibility. Hence we have > to be very careful about certification etc, for which the executive > officers of SJVC shall be responsible. Why should innocent people and whole organization suffer if Robert gets sued (and emails from his ex clients and students that I am getting are saying that day is coming soon)? >Srila Prabhupada did not > forsee how some of the temple presidents have 'run away' with the > temples and would never have agreed to this if he had the time and > inclination for deep thought into these legalities. Prabhupada was > immersed in Krishna consciousness and the Arudha had little meaning > for such a realised soul. Let us learn spirituality from him and not > administration. Learn Jyotish from us and not other things. No temple presidents have ever run away with the temple, so please don't present your false statements here. What you are imageing to be true is not, so please restrict yourself to facts. Srila Prabhupada was the best administrator because as you said he was immersed in Krishna consciousness and thus his actions were guided by Krishna himself. If that is not a case and Prabhupada was not good administrator than can you please explain to us how he was able to open more than 100 temple throughout the world (including Islamic countries) in 12 years and that number has grown to more than 400 worldwide? If Srila Prabhupada wasn't good administrator than how is all this possible? He was the one who set up administration and organizational structure in ISKCON. You based your analysis of Srila Prabhupada's chart and fixing Sagittarius lagna on the fact that he had Sun-Jupiter (yoga for building/opening temples) combination in 9th house which is according to you vital for fixing Sagittarius lagna in Srila Prabhupada's case. As you explained to me for a person to open more than 100 temple is less than 12 years is not ordinary task and therefore that combination must be very prominent as you are writing in Crux Of Vedic Astrology on page 383. Now if Prabhupada didn't have administrational capabilities than how could he open all these temple and set up an organization that now has more than 400 temples? So either your statement that Prabhupada wasn't good administrator is wrong or his lagna is wrong. If you still consider that he is not good administrator, than please chose some different lagna for his horoscope so that it fits your last statement. If you consider this as an bad administration that Prabhupada established, than I have nothing more to say. But what is very clear here is that you are again trying to manipulate facts to suit your goals. > 'Every saint had a past and every sinner has a future' has been > one of our fundamental teachings. Sri Robert Koch was not convinced > as to why he should not charge for the services like teaching that he > renders. It seems most logical from the western viewpoint for money > for work. Robert was not teaching western astrology but Vedic Astrology (Jyotish) and from that point of view from the very beginning it is clear that teaching of Jyotish is free. Having learned Jyotish in India and lived there he knew it is wrong to charge for teaching Jyotish. Please don't try to deceive innonocent people by saying that "It seems most logical from the western viewpoint for money for work." This is simply bogus argument. > When we visited the USA and discussed this and so many things > with Sri Robert Koch and others, they all agreed to teach free of > cost, so where is the question of charging fees etc? Robert also vowed (not only agreed) in front of Radha Krishna Deities, Srila Prabhupada, sacred fire and other Vaishnavas that he will chat 16 rounds of maha mantra daily (16x108 full maha mnatras), not eat meat, fish or eggs, not take any intoxicants (including tea or coffee), not have illicit sex and not gamble. Now please ask him what is he following now from all the things he vowed to follow till the end of his life?. From what his friends told me, at the most he is still vegetarian. Now what is the meaning when you say that he "agreed" that he'll teach for free? If nothing obstructed him in his mind to already break all the lifetime vows he has given to his guru what is stopping him to break his word again, not even a vow? > I believe that simple > because someone like Dinanath was not kept informed does not mean > that Robert is wrong. He does not have to give an explanation to > anyone. I am very much informed about Robert, especially from his old clients and ex-students. Please don't try to present things as if he all of a sudden changed and now he is a saint and the whole problem is that I was simply not informed about his divine transformation. > Dinanath: > To respect elders and not to humilate a lady (especially in > public) is a sign of a gentleman. There was no need for Dinanath to > do this and hence, he was expelled from SJVC, I don't quite remember that I humiliated a lady in public. I was told that I was expelled from SJVC for offending a Guru which in this case can be only Robert or Brendan. So are you talking about Lady Robert or Lady Brendan? I am not sure about which lady you are talking about. Word Lady is reserved for chaste woman and not those who are changing boyfriends and husbands like their socks. If for some reason you are talking about Laxmi in previous paragraph I am sorry to inform you that he doesn't have any quality of a lady, so please don't put her in the same category with other chaste and honorable woman who are protecting their chastity and simultaneously you are offending all of them. >There are other > things that have been done which are quite shocking to say the least. Can you please say what are these shocking things? Bluffing others will not take you very far. > The reasons for this can be traced to his chart and the curse of > maternal uncle therein (Chart attached). Those who attended my > lectures at the West Coast will be able to easily see this. Mercury > is in debility ans is afflicted by Saturn & Rahu (Graha dristi). > curse is complete. Neecha bhanga and redemption from curse comes due > to Guru in Lagna. Parasara teaches that the ONLY waay out is to > worship Sri Vishnu, which I believe he is doing. He is runing Rahu > dasa Mercury antardasa (Moon Vimsottari) and in the Moola Dasa, the > dasa is of Rahu. Please get the tapes/CDs on my lectures on Curses, > remedial measures and Moola dasa to understand the implications > clearly. Wow, I cannot believe that it took you more than 5 years to see that curse in my chart. From the time when I came to see you for astrological consultation till now it's been more than 5 years and on a countless number of occasions when you were looking at my chart you never told me that I have a curse in my chart. Now all of a sudden when you have to defame me a curse has arisen in my chart. Oh my God what will I do now? I've been cursed by my maternal uncle!!! I think that all your initial students from Delhi are cursed because we all have similar opinion about you and all of them have left you, like: Ashok, Neeraj, Raju, Manpreet and myself. There is only one person left who is trying to tell you what you are doing is wrong, but I don't think he'll stay much longer with you. For example in Raju's chart there is a curse and he lost a lot of money because of it. He was cursed to enter into a business deal with a his Jyotish guru who lives in Delhi (you may also know him, he was born in Orissa and has mustaches and wears glasses, recently published few books on astrology and his first one was called "Jaimini Upadesa Sutras"). Raju's Jyotish Guru started a financing company and left a government job. His financing company was supposed to get loans from one Australian company at lower interest rates and than offer the loans on Indian market at higher interest rate and make profit from the difference in interest rates. In the meantime, almost 2 years ago Raju's Guruji was informed from Finance Ministry that Australian company from which he wanted to take a loan is US$1 company with no financial credibility and Guruji was told that he'll never get a permission from Indian government to take loans from this company because companies like that can only get illegally acquired money like from drugs and weapons sales. >From this you can see that Guruji was very well aware that he'll never get any loans and will have nothing to offer for the loan deposits he collected. Keeping Raju in illusion that offered loan will come soon, Raju faithfully paid all the set up fees (almost $10,000) for the company that he jointly opened with his Jyotish Guru and based on astrological advice of his Jyotish Guru he purchased land in Himachal Pradesh for 35 Lakhs rupees (around $70,000) that he now cannot sell for even half that price. Raju also paid a loan deposit to the financing company of his Jyotish guru (around $15,000). Guruji was promising Raju a loan for more than 2 years, blaming slow administration, government and politicians who are envious of his business. In any case Raju realized what is going on and ultimately send a police to Guruji's door. Police didn't come because Raju wasn't disgruntled student who wanted to make his Guruji to admit that Jyotish is bogus (as Guruji wanted to present the matter to the public) but because he wanted his money back. In the meantime to Raju's and Guruji's friend Vijaydeep was promised loan and Vijaydeep has also given deposit for the loan to Guruji's financing company and now is also trying to get his money back from Guruji. Just to add Guruji never stopped taking deposits for the loans although he knew that he can never offer promised loans. Author of this text have seen our Guruji less than year ago having meetings with an individuals and offering loans to them and asking them for loan deposits. What shall we say about the curses in Ashok's chart? He also happens to have same Jyotish Guru as Raju. Ashok met his Guruji around the beginning of 1997 and Guruji advised astrologically Ashok about his garment export business and as an result Ashok's business collapsed he made losses and ended up in debts. Ashok went over that and was very faithful to his Guruji and was spending most of his free time with his Guruji helping him in every possible way and learning from him. Indeed Ashok was the most advanced student of Guruji having learned so much from him. But when Guruji got involved in the business and started to change his ways Ashok became suspicious. Because he was very close to Guruji and he was driving Guruji to meetings etc., he also started guessing what is Guruji up to. When Ashok saw what Guruji did with Raju and Vijaydeep and that Guruji has no remorse over what he did to them he could see his true colours and than Ashok told his Guruji that he is going to Rishikesh to study Upanishads. He said this just to excuse himself from association with his Guru. Later Guruji proclaimed that Ashok left him because of his wife who doesn't want Ashok to be with his Jyotish Guru, which obviously is not true. Neeraj was handling printing of Jyotish Digest and Manpreet for financing printing of the first issue and Guruji told Manpreet that after first issue is distributed he'll give him money back. As far as I know Manpreet financed second and third issue of Jyotish Digest and he never got a penny back. After realising what is the situation Neeraj and Manpreet have distanced themselves from their Guruji who by the way happened to be same as Ashok's and Raju's. So maybe we can discuss also curses in their charts in connection to their Guruji? Now all these people from Delhi don't want to know their Guruji, and we think the same of our Guruji, so we can see that all of us have curses in our charts. I guess, compared to theirs, my curse isn't so bad after all. When we know little of background what was happening with SJVC in Delhi and SJVC students from Delhi it is easy to see why Sanjay choose a person like Robert to head SJVC or SJC what is called now in USA. Robert is a business man who happened to take Jyotish as an profession, nothing else. There is nothing sacred for him (he already broke all the lifetime vows given to his guru Srila Prabhupada) so for him charging $100 per hour for teaching Jyotish (see www.sjvcusa.org announcement) is not a big deal after all, we are in America, rich country and it is also free country after all so everyone cannot do what they want and like Sanjay said "It seems most logical from the western viewpoint for money for work." Yes, it seems to logical to Sanjay that he even decided to make him a head of SJVC in USA!!!????? Shall we say a few words about the secretary of their organization? Laxmi (Lyne Kerry) had to lie to even get in SJVC and than she was lying all the way to get a position in SJC (latest name for SJVC in USA). She got married to ex. Hansaduta Swami a notorious drug and weapons smuggler (Ragunandan Das a.k.a Goravani Das was his secretary so he can speak better about Hansadutta) for what he was serving sentence in jail. Laxmi thought that Hansaduta was cool so she got married to him. Than later she thought that he wasn't so cool any more so she divorced him, there was always a boyfriend on a side to help this lady in the difficult movements of emotional emptiness and than hew husband came. So these is the SJC (Sri Jagannatha Center, which as you can see is not Vedic any more) leadership and the organization is meant to make money from Jyotish by hook or by crook so that all of them can have nice life and that Sanjay can somehow repay all his debts and return other people's money that he swindled. Now Sanjay doesn't want to be involved with any of his old Delhi students because they know the truth about him and he is trying to penetrate "international market" where he can find his new victims among his innocent students. Hare Krishna, Dinanatha Das P.S. So that you see change in Sanjay's readings of my horoscope here is what he wrote about me recently in emails to Achyuta list on . Here is excerpt from one of the email where Sanjay is talking about me:"You are a very honorable person, and I have blind faith in you. You have a sincere devotion towards Jagannath mahaprabhu and this is very good." Excerpt from your another recent email send to Narasimha and me is as follows:"Dinanath's responsibility is much higher than even yours or any other Jyotish Guru of SJVC. He has to establish it, and if he fails to do so in this life, be sure like I have come back for this purpose, he too will be reborn to do this. With such a heavy responsibility, I cannot compromise with him. His tapasya has to be the toughest and purest. He will set an example which others will follow. And I KNOW THAT with Jaya yoga in Lagna he can do it. I also have the same yoga in trines and have to do the Tapasya. This is His will and Dinanath has to work very hard to do this. Exactly 7 years from now, you will see the real meaning of what I am saying. Krishna consciousness will spread to every corner due to the strength of the Jyoti from this Vidya. So, I cannot compromise with my direct sisya. Dinanath is among the best I have, and I cannot compromise ." He also said that in any case there is neecha banga yoga and in any case I am worshiping Krishna for so many years, so where is question of curse? Not only that I have Jaya yoga in lagna but also Pariyata yoga, (conjunction of 2nd, 4th and 11th lords) which Sanjay said is one of the highest yogas and there are so many other yogas from this combination in lagna (Jupiter-Venus, 2nd, 11th, 4th and 9th lords). Now seeing Sanjay's earlier statements I don't understand why do he has to put yourself in such low position and try to manipulate with my horoscope. He should rather take care of curses and sarpa yoga in his own chart and try to deal with them. (Text PAMHO:6055486) ------ ------- End of Forwarded Message ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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