Guest guest Posted January 20, 2000 Report Share Posted January 20, 2000 This text was posted on Practical Varnasrama by Carol. I agree with the points here. I know we have seen many arguments to support only "subsistance agriculture" to just support body and soul together, but who is doing. Only a miniscule fraction in all of ISKCON. It may be the advanced goal that Srila Prabhupada was talking about, but just like Gurukulas, we haven't mathced up to the standard required. We have heard of so many disasters. And many devotees would now only send their children to a day Gurukula. Therefore we are not ready to fulfill this request. So where needed the farm concept can be altered also, to encourage people to take up some sort of more natural life-style or simple living and high thinking and that is - rather than getting another job which is completely different from agriculture try and start livlihoods based on farms, and thus teach by example and try and develop real personal relationships and KEEP THE DEVOTEES that everyone has worked so hard to make rather then just keep making new ones. This would be a better way forward and then the snow ball effect will be there when they see it working. Briefly, Our aim here is to start a green or Environmentally Friendly business for devotees. I have been wirking on this for the past year. There are many ideas out there. Our idea is to start a Recycling business for devotees. Especially for the recycling of Organic Matter...even from industry and households, as this is the most valuable product to recycle. This is a lucrative market and could practically involve many many devotees. For instance here the goverment will pay you 28.50 sterling per ton, to take away such waste and then you can turn it into compost and again sell it. A two edged sword. If you used it on your farm you would grow a massive amount of food without much work. The demand for organic produce here has way outstripped the supply. And the govt. will sponsor a community effort to start local veg box schemes (selling direct to the public) For one small council alone the weekly waste would amount to 400 tons per week.... Work it out for yourselves. Nanda Maharaja was not a poor farmer......but He had 900,000 cows. In a message dated 1/16/00 3:58:16 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Harsi.HKS (AT) bbt (DOT) se writes: > > That is the whole dilemma also of all ISKCON Farm communities I think, how to > survive economically by farming alone. > Normally many farms which I know were before they were bought by the > devotees meant to just give enough income and food for the members of a > family but now there are living many more people, so obviously it is very > difficult for the devotees there to survive just by doing agriculture. > Haribol Harsi I have talked to many devotees who have come from, Iskcon farms and the picture I get is the farm managers don't plan to make a profit. The farm garden feeds the devotees, more or less and every one else has to get a job to make ends meet. There seems to be this funny belief that making a profit is somehow wrong and we should only scrape by make just enough to survive. That is why the farms are failing. When I move out to my new farm, I plan to make a lot of profit. It is not wrong or UN religious. That is a pile of cow pies. If I ran the ISKCON farms I would set up a network where I would ship excess produce to you and crops I could grow I would that you can't we would exchange. I would make each farm have at least one good cash crop. I plan on my new farm to raise beneficial insects. lace wings, bees, worms, lady bugs, and praying mantises. I would sell these mail direct, by catalog. I would have a small section where I would have a section of u-pick it veggies and fruits. The people picks and bags their own produce. (you have to be careful about that though). I raise bees also and would not really sell honey, every body does that and it is not very profitable. If I did I would sell the honey in "cute or whimsical" little containers as a gift, you could get five dollars for a cup of honey that way. ( make sure you get really good caps though for your containers). If you have any one who is any good at making pots you could sell little containers with human feet on the bottom or some such, and sell the honey inside as a bonus. The big money in bee keeping is selling queens. they sell for fifteen dollars apiece and only cost one or two dollars to ship. So I would sell a queen for say twenty-two dollars and that includes shipping. I have done that from time to time, great way to make fast money. I plan to set up a green house and raise bedding plants. That only takes six weeks to raise a cash crop. I would sell direct at the farmers market, or flee markets. I also plan to raise a small plot of aquatic plants for ornamental ponds. I know of a fantastic sourse of cow manure. I am looking into possibly getting a huge chipper shredder and go by and collect all the leaf and trees trimmings that commercial landscapers and property maintenance people collect daily and make my own organic compost. I really believe that the ISKCON farms could be profitable but many just don't seem to want to. If I had a bunch of people on my farm I would encourage every body to develop a talent. Each would help out on the farm for wages and would be basically stock holders (pardon the pun) they would get produce and a share of the profits. I would, if the climate would support it raise sprouts that is another quick cash cow. The sprout water could then be used to accelerate the growth of other crops. The secret of making a small farm work is to not compete with every body else. If I plant fruit trees on my new farm I will not send all of my fruit to market. I will sun dry organic fruit and package it and sell it by catalog and at a road side stand. The latest rage in my area is sun dried tomatoes. I can dry fifty pounds of tomatoes and they will fit in a one gallon (4 Liters) container. Much lighter and take up less space than fifty pounds of fresh tomatoes. I can sell them for an outrageous amount. If a small group of share holders moved out to a small holding they could feed them selves and make a profit. I would raise Koi fish also, they sell for big bucks also and take up very little space and I could grow the aquatic plants in their same container. Believe me a farm can be made to be profitable. But it takes thought and planning and enthusiasm. Some Iskcon farms use religion to get free or almost free labor. (service to Krishna) The few who really kill them selves, start to resent the ones who are not very enthustic. Soon the best leave. In actuality they have to leave they are broke and have a family and the temple can't really support them except on a "subsistent" level and their children and family are always border line poverty. Then of course politics rear its ugly head and drive off the rest. Believe me I have heard the stories. If it was just one person I would believe it was just a disgruntled devotee. But I have heard this same story again and again each story different but more alike than different to just dismiss the whole problem as non existent. Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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