Standard 15 Use of Krsna's Properties - repaying Mother Nature

[Guest guest]

Hare Krsna dasi wrote:

 

>Please, let's not forget the big danger of using cow patties for cooking

>fuel.

>That is: If too large a percentage of cow manure is converted into cooking

>fuel, it will rob the soil of valuable nutrients.

 

Where did you get this information from?

Is this statement coroberated by any scientific authority?

 

PLEASE GIVE THIS TO SYAMASUNDARA DAS IN MAYAPUR

AND POST THIS IN MARITIUS TEMPLE.

 

Sir Albert Howard, whom you originally quoted to us all, has stated, as you

must have heard by now, that two thirds of cow dung should be used as fuel,

the remainder can increase manurial output 5-8 times by composting.. with

correct proportions of all manner of other garbage, including human stool,

as we did in India 1996-7.

 

It is essential that a sustainable fuel source be sought. When there were

plenty more cows in India than possibly today the above statement was made.

If you have less cows today then you need less land with which to feed them,

But there are definately a lot more people. With the amount of people who

actually are going to use cow dung as fuel and that is likely outside of

India to only be devotees! I think the same equation should still apply.

Applying animal dung to land alone is extremely wasteful in lieu of the

circumstances we find ourselves in today, especially as we have so few cows

about.. Enough nitrogen for crop productrion can easily be gained by proper

agricultural management. This understood by scientific evidence. Only .08 -

1.00% total nitrogen is required for optimum crop production. Any further

amount is certain to be lost in the ground through leaching.

 

Most of the main ecological disasters we find in this world are caused by

man and his misuse of Natures abundance. The most important thing to be done

in order to preserve the source of life on this planet is to produce soil

and that is done best by creating a thriving top soil which in turn makes

more top soil through the action of active micro-organisms.

 

This is acheived by the formation fo humus.BUT IN NATURE this is a very slow

process. (1 inch in 10,000 years?) And the best of Natures ways to produce

humus is by the action of trees and good ground cover.

 

Here are some quotes by the founder of the Soil Association:

 

Lets start with an area in Southern United States:

One of the most comprehensive surveys in this connection is by Jacks and

Whyte in the RAPE OF THE EARTH. (It is common knowledge in agricultural

circles that the removal of trees is the biggest cause of the beginning of

soil erosion and desertification.)

 

'On 56.4% of the land surface of the USA...a quater or more of the soil has

been lost. The amount of soil reaching the sea annually is between 500 and a

1,000 million tons, or 21 times the amount removed by cropping.' (this is

interesting to note.) [Even organic farms can loose as much as 5cm of soil

a year through cropping][real organic farming is not just a question of

farming without chemicals...]to continue... '15 million acres have been

totally destroyed, but this is an insignificant part of the story, for it is

sheet erosion that is doing the bulk of the damage to the land. The Missouri

basin has lost an average of 7 inches of top soil in 24 years. Professor

Chamberlain has estimated the mean rate of soil formation at only 1 inch in

ten thousand years.'

'In California and elswhere the new deserts are are called 'dustbowls'. One

has advanced as much as 40 miles in one year, destroying 2,500 farms.

Efforts to stop it by tree planting alone have failed.

 

'If erosion represents the death of the soil....how much of the land is

partway towards death? The question would be pertinent if the rate of

erosion were steady. But it is not steady it is increasing very rapidly all

over the world. PROBABLY MORE SOIL HAS BEEN LOST SINCE 1914 THAN IN THE

WHOLE PREVIOS HISTORY OF THE WORLD. When we consider... the fact that traces

of high civilization were found in areas that are now desert, the

probability of his past guilt becomes greater.'

 

'In the West over grazing and fires have have removed the natural cover.

Obviously every other problem America is faced sinks into insignificance in

camparison with this one. It is already too late to do more than save

something of the wreck. Much of the same is true in many other countries.'

'Australia is probably going faster than America, but has only been under

civilized influence for one third of the period....The wheat lands of NSW

are said to be getting visibly worse each year.'

 

'In Africa, the Sahara is growing southward at a rate of over half a mile a

year, the Turkana desert eastward at 6 or 7 miles a year. But the whole

continent is suffering from erosion in every known form, the extension of

deserts and the creation of new ones. It is well known that Kenya is rapidly

becoming infertile and is beginning to suffer from locusts. This is no new

phenomenon in Africa, for it is known that the northern Sahara was once the

granary of Rome and in Roman times the Congo forest reached nearly to

Khartoum, from which it is now separated by 1,500 miles of desert...Erosion

is not new but the whole process has been accelerated in the last few

years.'

 

'China represents the best and the worst examples of agriculture.. The

Yellow River carries down 2,500 million tons of soils a year; the amount

equal to one foot thick over 2,000 suare miles. It's bed gets silted up

between embankmnets, and is not cleared as it used to be (with which they

made compost with abundant green clover to replenish the land from which the

crops were taken). These embankments must be continuously raised so its bed

is well above the surrounding land. Nothing can save that land or its people

when an embankment bursts. ALL THAT IS LARGELY BECAUSE FUEL IS NOW SCARCE IN

CHINA AND THE HILLS HAVE BEEN DENUDED TO PROVIDE IT. (and I know the same is

true of India) In this way what was once the hunting grounds of Genghis Khan

has been turned into the Gobi desert.'

 

 

 

 

 

There you have it.

One must therefore keep lots of cows, and farm properly, in order to prevent

this situation occuring. We must become responsible custodians of Krsna's

land.

 

We don't have lots of cows these days due to obvoius reasons. But as one

company has stated today: 'The world is drowing in its own poisons'

 

 

Therefore I and many other companies see the importance of scientifically

composting these wastes to reduce the poisonous effects (as far as

possible).

For even cow dung left in heaps and urine washed away in drains causes

poisonous run off into water courses and ground water and is indeed illegal

in the U.K. We should try and understand how to avoid these causes of

poisoning ourselves and our children and teach them how to leave more soil

than we take away through cropping.

 

This is sustainable agriculture. If we are depleting we are not

sustainable. By taking crops alone we are depleting Mother Nature.

Therefore we are robbing Her.

 

 

'Man sets about his desert making in various ways. He alters the texture of

the soil by using up humus and failing to replace it - by failing to feed

the soil with organic matter; livestock are the great converters of

otherwise unwanted organic matter to a form in which it can be used by

plants. Stockless farming, understocking, burning straw, etc., are all cases

of failure to observe the "law of return" which is the essence of farming.

Only by faithfully returning to the soil in due course (meaning in a fit

condition for the soil to digest it) everything that has come from it, can

fertility be made permanent and the earth be made to yield a genuine

increase.' (Lord Northbourne, Look to The Land, 1930)

 

 

I was going to end there, but then here's another one which I think backs up

Srila Prabhupada's comments on later occurances in this Yuga:

 

'If mankind cannot devise and enforce ways of dealing with the earth, which

will preserve the source of life, we must look forward to a time, remote

though it may be yet clearly discernable when our kind, having wasted its

inheritance, will fade from the earth because of the ruin it has

accomplished.' (Professor N.S. Shaler, Harvard University, 1896)

 

'But please let's not forget' we are SUPPOSED to be entering the golden age

of 10,000 years before that.

[Guest guest]

Hare Krsna dasi wrote:

>Please, let's not forget the big danger of using cow patties for cooking

fuel. That is: If too large a percentage of cow manure is converted into

cooking fuel, it will rob the soil of valuable nutrients.

 

Radha Krishna’s reply:

Where did you get this information from? Is this statement coroberated by any

scientific authority?

 

PLEASE GIVE THIS TO SYAMASUNDARA DAS IN MAYAPUR AND POST THIS IN MARITIUS

TEMPLE.

 

Sir Albert Howard, whom you originally quoted to us all, has stated, as you

must have heard by now, that two thirds of cow dung should be used as fuel,

the remainder can increase manurial output 5-8 times by composting.. with

correct proportions of all manner of other garbage, including human stool, as

we did in India 1996-7. It is essential that a sustainable fuel source be

sought. When there were plenty more cows in India than possibly today the

above statement was made. If you have less cows today then you need less land

with which to feed them, But there are definately a lot more people.

 

Comment:

And with more people then you need more food, which if you do not mechanize

then you must keep more people on the land and produce more cows and bullocks

to use for producing. You can not get away from this cycle. We have compounded

our problem instead of engaging more people in agriculture and the ancillary

essential activities and we have turned toward mechanization so we can do

various money making endeavours. This is alright if the money is used to

preach or buying land (for production) but it is going toward feathering the

nest.

 

Radha Krsna:

With the amount of people who actually are going to use cow dung as fuel and

that is likely outside of India to only be devotees! I think the same equation

should still apply. Applying animal dung to land alone is extremely wasteful

in lieu of the circumstances we find ourselves in today, especially as we have

so few cows about..

 

Comment:

If we have so few cows why is ISKCON on the program of limiting calf

production? We are thinking we have too many cows, instead of thinking that

more people must be engaged in agriculture pursuits and preaching. We also

have a lot of unused land because there is no one to work it.

 

In New Talavan we have 1250 acres, 30 is growing some crops, one person part

time engaged (using tractor) others are engaged in working so they can build

nice house – they are not having daily preaching engagement! Four cows

milking, one bull and 124 idle cows and oxen! Other ISKCON farms are in the

same situation. People are buying more than ½ acre (that is all that is needed

if you are buying essentials). So they are buying up land to make park or just

grow like jungle.

 

Radha Krsna:

Enough nitrogen for crop productrion can easily be gained by proper

agricultural management. This understood by scientific evidence. Only .08 -

1.00% total nitrogen is required for optimum crop production. Any further

amount is certain to be lost in the ground through leaching.

 

Comment;

Unless you increase the fibre and cation content in the soil.

 

Radha Krsna:

Most of the main ecological disasters we find in this world are caused by man

and his misuse of Natures abundance. The most important thing to be done in

order to preserve the source of life on this planet is to produce soil and

that is done best by creating a thriving top soil which in turn makes more top

soil through the action of active micro-organisms.

 

Comment;

What you are saying is true, but there needs to be a change in heart both for

preaching or production (essentials- food, clothing and shelter) and away from

this artificial society.

 

Radha Krsna:

This is acheived by the formation fo humus.BUT IN NATURE this is a very slow

process. (1 inch in 10,000 years?) And the best of Natures ways to produce

humus is by the action of trees and good ground cover.

 

Comment;

This is the source for increase the fibre content, trees – decaying leaves,

dead branches and roots. They produce this every year. Our agricultural fields

need trees to be planted for the purification of the air, soil and water

system; but most of all to increase our soil fibre content.

 

Here are some quotes by the founder of the Soil Association:

Lets start with an area in Southern United States:

One of the most comprehensive surveys in this connection is by Jacks and Whyte

in the RAPE OF THE EARTH. (It is common knowledge in agricultural circles that

the removal of trees is the biggest cause of the beginning of soil erosion and

desertification.)

'On 56.4% of the land surface of the USA...a quater or more of the soil has

been lost. The amount of soil reaching the sea annually is between 500 and a

1,000 million tons, or 21 times the amount removed by cropping.' (this is

interesting to note.) [Even organic farms can loose as much as 5cm of soil a

year through cropping][real organic farming is not just a question of farming

without chemicals...]to continue... '15 million acres have been totally

destroyed, but this is an insignificant part of the story, for it is sheet

erosion that is doing the bulk of the damage to the land. The Missouri basin

has lost an average of 7 inches of top soil in 24 years. Professor Chamberlain

has estimated the mean rate of soil formation at only 1 inch in ten thousand

years.''In California and elswhere the new deserts are are called 'dustbowls'.

One has advanced as much as 40 miles in one year, destroying 2,500 farms.

Efforts to stop it by tree planting alone have failed.

'If erosion represents the death of the soil....how much of the land is

partway towards death? The question would be pertinent if the rate of erosion

were steady. But it is not steady it is increasing very rapidly all over the

world. PROBABLY MORE SOIL HAS BEEN LOST SINCE 1914 THAN IN THE WHOLE PREVIOS

HISTORY OF THE WORLD. When we consider... the fact that traces of high

civilization were found in areas that are now desert, the probability of his

past guilt becomes greater.'

'In the West over grazing and fires have have removed the natural cover.

Obviously every other problem America is faced sinks into insignificance in

camparison with this one. It is already too late to do more than save

something of the wreck. Much of the same is true in many other countries.'

'Australia is probably going faster than America, but has only been under

civilized influence for one third of the period....The wheat lands of NSW are

said to be getting visibly worse each year.'

 

Comment:

Coupled with trees incorporated into a properly managed grazing system and a

society that is agrarian centred is the only hope of turning the tide that we

do not follow many other civilizations of the past that have fallen.

 

'In Africa, the Sahara is growing southward at a rate of over half a mile a

year, the Turkana desert eastward at 6 or 7 miles a year. But the whole

continent is suffering from erosion in every known form, the extension of

deserts and the creation of new ones. It is well known that Kenya is rapidly

becoming infertile and is beginning to suffer from locusts. This is no new

phenomenon in Africa, for it is known that the northern Sahara was once the

granary of Rome and in Roman times the Congo forest reached nearly to

Khartoum, from which it is now separated by 1,500 miles of desert...Erosion is

not new but the whole process has been accelerated in the last few years.'

'China represents the best and the worst examples of agriculture.. The Yellow

River carries down 2,500 million tons of soils a year; the amount equal to one

foot thick over 2,000 suare miles. It's bed gets silted up between

embankmnets, and is not cleared as it used to be (with which they made compost

with abundant green clover to replenish the land from which the crops were

taken). These embankments must be continuously raised so its bed is well above

the surrounding land. Nothing can save that land or its people when an

embankment bursts. ALL THAT IS LARGELY BECAUSE FUEL IS NOW SCARCE IN CHINA AND

THE HILLS HAVE BEEN DENUDED TO PROVIDE IT. (and I know the same is true of

India) In this way what was once the hunting grounds of Genghis Khan has been

turned into the Gobi desert.'

 

There you have it. One must therefore keep lots of cows, and farm properly, in

order to prevent this situation occuring. We must become responsible

custodians of Krsna's land.

 

Comment:

Yes, lots of cows – that is way Krsna had so many – and everyone (most of

society) engaged in agricultural pursuits.

 

We don't have lots of cows these days due to obvious reasons. But as one

company has stated today: 'The world is drowing in its own poisons'

 

Therefore I and many other companies see the importance of scientifically

composting these wastes to reduce the poisonous effects (as far as possible).

For even cow dung left in heaps and urine washed away in drains causes

poisonous run off into water courses and ground water and is indeed illegal in

the U.K. We should try and understand how to avoid these causes of poisoning

ourselves and our children and teach them how to leave more soil than we take

away through cropping. This is sustainable agriculture. If we are depleting we

are not sustainable. By taking crops alone we are depleting Mother Nature.

Therefore we are robbing Her.

 

'Man sets about his desert making in various ways. He alters the texture of

the soil by using up humus and failing to replace it - by failing to feed the

soil with organic matter; livestock are the great converters of otherwise

unwanted organic matter to a form in which it can be used by plants. Stockless

farming, understocking, burning straw, etc., are all cases of failure to

observe the "law of return" which is the essence of farming. Only by

faithfully returning to the soil in due course (meaning in a fit condition for

the soil to digest it) everything that has come from it, can fertility be made

permanent and the earth be made to yield a genuine increase.' (Lord

Northbourne, Look to The Land, 1930)

 

I was going to end there, but then here's another one which I think backs up

Srila Prabhupada's comments on later occurances in this Yuga:

'If mankind cannot devise and enforce ways of dealing with the earth, which

will preserve the source of life, we must look forward to a time, remote

though it may be yet clearly discernable when our kind, having wasted its

inheritance, will fade from the earth because of the ruin it has

accomplished.' (Professor N.S. Shaler, Harvard University, 1896)

'But please let's not forget' we are SUPPOSED to be entering the golden age of

10,000 years before that.

 

Comment:

We need to increase our Krsna consciousness and that of others (preaching) and

secure the land from its rape and the misuse of the cows (producing).

Ys,

Rohita dasa

[Guest guest]

The flow of this discussion indicates to me that although we have a few very

sincere souls looking after our few (or too many) cows we have as yet not

developed any of the ISKCON land to any great potential. This is because

there is by far too few persons engaged in the agricultural field.

 

We say we're into training but there has been no programme to engage

devotees in the fields. We train in many other fields but if Srila

Prabhupada said 'Agriculture is the noblest profession' then why haven't we

looked into this in the last 25 years?

Other groups have and are very successful at it. And they are much admired

for it - it is exceptionally good preaching, especially as far as our

philosophy is concerned.

 

I'm sure you would agree that this source of wealth has not been tapped.

Therefore it is time we did begin to tap it.

 

In the sastra we see that householders were wealthy and they knew what to do

with their wealth. This is a subject that must be addressed urgently if we

are to survive any distance into the next millenium.

 

If ISKCON still ownes so much land then householders should have legal

leasing arrangements in order that they may become productive. Otherwise

this land will remain in a wasted condition and useless.

 

The incentive must be there in order to encourage housholders to make their

living off the land. Why, even where there has been some leasing

arrangements, have householders not become prosperous? (maybe some have, I'd

like to hear about them) I feel it is largely because not enough is known

about how to make a profit from the land in order to pay all your bills and

keep the cows nicely with all the required facilities.

 

There has to be a very good economic structure in order for this to happen.

Why so many are still doing paintings? because there is money in it...So the

perpetuation goes on and we get further and further from the land and stay

in regular urban economics. ( I know that some farmers have survived

probably very well over the years and maintained there herds very well (I

think) but have they made enough money not to end up suffering or the cows

suffering? - from what Madhava Gosh prabhu says it doesn't seem very likely)

Maybe Saranagati has had good success?? if so this maybe because they have

had more emphasis on agriculture than milk production?? I'd like to hear.

 

We feel we have the solution to this agricultural disaster.

Everywhere I have gone and made this compost I have sold it at a profit.

I don't as yet have any land on which to continue such a programme, but I'm

still looking. Others who live on the farms where I have been could easily

take up the business and become very opulent - then they could furnish their

fields and house their cows adequately - Krsna and Balaram would be pleased

and Laxmi would be there. Whats the problem?

 

We feel we have the solution to this agricultural disaster.... Many farms

I've seen (ISKCON) have made the fields worse than when they were when they

got hold of them. This is a serious mistake as the future generations will

have to pay for these mistakes and if they know how, will have to clean them

up.

 

Now I can understand it when I heard Pritu prabhu saying ...'Nature is

better left alone...' this to me means that Naute is better left alone if we

- the devotees - don't mess it up. I wonder if this is what he actually

meant?

[Guest guest]

Radha Krsna:

The flow of this discussion indicates to me that although we have a few very

sincere souls looking after our few (or too many) cows we have as yet not

developed any of the ISKCON land to any great potential. This is because there

is by far too few persons engaged in the agricultural field.

 

Comment:

We have persons who are highly trained in agriculture and a lot of young

adults who say they are bored, yet do not really know what they want to do

with their lives. It is so simple, either they become fully engaged in some

preaching, distributing books etc. or they go to the plough share. What they

say, and put their nose in the air or if one is inclined in that way they look

down on them or ridicule them. I have seen this, where have they learned this

behaviour? Why dear sirs and ladies they have learnt this kind of vision from

us. Agriculturists are looked down on in this western society. It is not seen

as a noble profession. It is so low that we try not to talk about it. You can

say, I can’t support my family doing it – but do you buy that trash they call

food and then give it to your deities and eat thinking it is prasadam. Noodles

made by intoxicated womanizers and tofu sold by agents of Kali when the humble

Vaisnava who is trying to think of Krsna can not even give you nice sandesh

from the cow he has milked let a loan sell it to you. Your children see this,

they are not deaf or blind, and if you really respected the Vaisnava

agriculturists in your midst you would avoid the non-devotee produce. But take

a survey of your shelves, make an effort to find a better, a Vaisnava source

for what you eat, wear and use. Then just see where your children will go for

training, it wouldn’t be to business school or the casino … … it will be to

that same farmer who grows and tenderly nurtures the grass under Krsna’s cow’s

feet.

 

Radha Krsna:

We say we're into training but there has been no programme to engage devotees

in the fields. We train in many other fields but if Srila Prabhupada said

'Agriculture is the noblest profession' then why haven't we looked into this

in the last 25 years?

 

Comment:

Why do you need a program? Just do it, find someone who knows how to do it and

help him. He will not turn you away he will gladly teach you how to do it. No

classroom is needed to be erected or teachers required who have gone to

university for so many years. Just get your fingers in the dirt or on a curry

comb and if you do know how to do it just ask. There is a Vaisnava who knows

how if you are sincere Krsna will lead you to him.

 

Radha Krsna:

Other groups have and are very successful at it. And they are much admired for

it - it is exceptionally good preaching, especially as far as our philosophy

is concerned. I'm sure you would agree that this source of wealth has not been

tapped. Therefore it is time we did begin to tap it.

 

Comment:

By all means.

 

Radha Krsna:

In the sastra we see that householders were wealthy and they knew what to do

with their wealth. This is a subject that must be addressed urgently if we are

to survive any distance into the next millenium.

 

Comment:

Dollar in your hand, 25 cents to the brahmana, 25 cents to the ksatriya, 25

cents to savings and 25 cents to maintaining self and family. You will become

truly wealthy in the lotus eyes of the Supreme Personality of Godhead and his

devotees.

 

Radha Krsna:

If ISKCON still ownes so much land then householders should have legal leasing

arrangements in order that they may become productive. Otherwise this land

will remain in a wasted condition and useless.

 

Comment:

Live in a small village, from Radha Krsna lease some land, give the allotted

portion of the produce to the brahmana and the ksatriya, feed your family,

store what is needed for the non-growing times of the year and if there is

some remaining, sell. You are keeping your seeds, fertility comes from your

cow and from the congregational chanting of Lord Krsna’s names, cloth is

coming (your daughters are weaving). There is no need to go for buying in the

city, if you go to the city the reason is to distribute prasadam and Krsna’s

name. Live simply, work hard for Krsna and chant Hare Krsna.

 

Radha Krsna:

The incentive must be there in order to encourage housholders to make their

living off the land. Why, even where there has been some leasing arrangements,

have householders not become prosperous? (maybe some have, I'd like to hear

about them) I feel it is largely because not enough is known about how to make

a profit from the land in order to pay all your bills and keep the cows nicely

with all the required facilities.

 

Comment:

First we need to give up the attachments to the pleasures of the body and

offer unto the real owner all that is His. If you do not recognize the True

Owner by your deeds Mother Bhumi will not be opulent in her gifts. Second just

approach one skilled in the field. Third, but most important of all become

absorbed in the chanting of Hare, Krsna and Rama. Does He not say He will

preserve what you have and carry what you lack?

 

Radha Krsna:

There has to be a very good economic structure in order for this to happen.

Why so many are still doing paintings? because there is money in it...So the

perpetuation goes on and we get further and further from the land and stay in

regular urban economics.

 

Comment:

Begin by buying Vaisnava, if you have some money (25% savings) get some land

for building a house on, then lease and chant. You are only doing paintings

because you think you need all these modern conveniences. That is it,

conveniences but not essential for keeping body and soul together so you can

chant Hare Krsna.

 

Radha Krsna:

(I know that some farmers have survived probably very well over the years and

maintained there herds very well (I think) but have they made enough money not

to end up suffering or the cows suffering? - from what Madhava Gosh prabhu

says it doesn't seem very likely) Maybe Saranagati has had good success?? if

so this maybe because they have had more emphasis on agriculture than milk

production?? I'd like to hear.

 

Comment:

The key is to keep it small, diversified and simple. Develop your piece and

make the Deities land productive and if you are inclined than lease more.

 

Radha Krsna:

We feel we have the solution to this agricultural disaster. Everywhere I have

gone and made this compost I have sold it at a profit. I don't as yet have any

land on which to continue such a programme, but I'm still looking. Others who

live on the farms where I have been could easily take up the business and

become very opulent - then they could furnish their fields and house their

cows adequately - Krsna and Balaram would be pleased and Laxmi would be there.

Whats the problem?

 

Comment:

 

Radha Krsna:

We feel we have the solution to this agricultural disaster.... Many farms I've

seen (ISKCON) have made the fields worse than when they were when they got

hold of them. This is a serious mistake as the future generations will have to

pay for these mistakes and if they know how, will have to clean them up.

 

Comment:

 

Radha Krsna:

Now I can understand it when I heard Pritu prabhu saying ...'Nature is better

left alone...' this to me means that Naute is better left alone if we

- the devotees - don't mess it up. I wonder if this is what he actually

meant?

 

Comment:

Prthu?

 

ys,

Rohita dasa

[Guest guest]

>

> Radha Krsna:

> Now I can understand it when I heard Pritu prabhu saying ...'Nature is better

> left alone...' this to me means that Naute is better left alone if we - the

> devotees - don't mess it up. I wonder if this is what he actually meant?

>

> Comment:

> Prthu?

 

I don't remember the context in which I said this.

And without the context the statement lends itself to be misunderstood.

 

ys

Prithu das

[Guest guest]

Rohita das wrote:

 

>Comment:

>Prthu?

 

Prthu, GBC in France...

 

 

Rohita prabhu, thank you for these enlivening comments...

we should follow your example.

 

To continue this theme I would like to bolster the heading 'A philosophical

Treatise on FOOD' begun a while ago. This subject is appropriately forwarded

for us today by Howard in his approach to Indian agriculture in 1920 - the

time of Srila Bhaktissidhanta Maharaja.

 

see Philosophical treatise on FOOD.

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Haribol

A farm in Brazil is composting cow manure for a cash crop using earthworms to

compost the green manure.

Contact Purushatraya Swami at his farm in Brazil at

Paramatma (AT) domain (DOT) com.br He can give you the details.

Good luck Carol