Dung or digesters?

[Guest guest]

They are NOT destroyed by burning and are present

>>in the ash.

>

 

 

>Another very important aspect of composted manure is that it conditions

>the earth so that it will retain moisture better. When Krsna was on

>earth, Vrndavana was very lush. I have not been to Vrndavana personally,

>but I understand that much of it is now like a desert, very dry and

>sandy.

>

>To me, this indicates that over the centuries, animal and human manure

>have not been returned to the soil.

 

How was it though, that 5000 years ago, it was a lush environment? There

were no bio-gas digesters then, and cooking was probably done by dung, as if

they'd used wood then there wouldn't be much of a Vrindavan forest after a

while.

 

 

No, composted cow manure is wonderful, I agree, but so is the ash which is

full of trace elements. There are other ways to increase organic matter in

the soil,too, such as green manure crops, if organic matter is in shortage,

due to burning too many patties.

>

>Also, I just read in the *Small Farmers Journal* that fertilizer is

>America's #1 export to India. If cow manure were being put back into the

>earth at a sufficient rate, there would be no need to import fertilizer.

 

They are killing the source of top-quality fertilizer- the old cows and

bulls- and importing fertilizer at high prices I bet that the poor village

farmer can't afford! Kali-yuga!

>

>Dung or Digesters? This still does not mean that I am necessarily

>endorsing biogas digesters. I think the decision has to be made on a

>case-by-case basis by devotees who have carefully educated themselves on

>all the factors involved. Cooking with cow manure patties sounds great

>to me, as long as the majority of the manure is being returned to the

>soil.

 

 

There is another book."The Lost Science of Organic Cultivation"

by the great Sir Albert Howard, who is now considered the Grandfather of

organic farming. He was the cause of the formation of the Soil Associations

around the world. He spent 30 years in India researching what to do with cow

dung and also the history of its use as far back as 4,700 years -

practically Dvarapa Yuga. This book costs £12.95 and is written by a devotee

for devotees - for the benefit of this wonderful movement of Srila

Prabhupada. It describes in detail how we turned round the cow situation in

Sri Mayapur simply by the methods described in this book. 17 colour plates

of our work in Sri Mayapur and 8 black and white from Howards work which we

have copied exactly without deviating from seventy years before.

Aren't we always saying lets work together, let's follow the authority,

let's have Varnasrama within ISKCON...need I go on?

 

It shows the science of how you can increase the manurial output from cows

up to eight fold!!!! Now that's goldmine! Without depleting any resource,

and by making the cows more comfortable than they are kept presently in our

Indian goshalas. The bibliography is fantastic, i.e., The Remaking of

Village India, Oxford University Press, F.L. Brayne, 1929 - on whose work I

have based my Satvik Indore Toilet...which by the way is selling at a hot

rate. I am planning the next shipment from India. It is the only toilet in

the world you never have to, or need to, clean out! Now that should

attract ISKCON devotees.....?

 

I am selling this book incidentally to top scientists and professors who are

fascinated with the science of how to do this. It is missing in 99.9% of

western agriculture; and thus those farms are losing huge amounts of

valuable resource. Howard was right it is the way forward for for solving

the problems of village India and comunities throughout the rest of the

world. Also "Proper fertility of the land has a direct bearing on health. It

will in all probability be the means by which industry can initiate a new

forward move in preventative medicine." (Howard, London School of Hygiene

and Tropical Medicine, 1937.)

 

 

Abhiram and Rohita (40 years with cows) prabhus have also declared this

system to be VEDIC.

 

Abhiram personally told me he thought that Dvaraka itself must have been

serviced in this way!

 

 

Your servant,

 

Radha Krsna das.

Environmental Consultant.

[Guest guest]

> How was it though, that 5000 years ago, it was a lush environment? There

> were no bio-gas digesters then, and cooking was probably done by dung, as

> if they'd used wood then there wouldn't be much of a Vrindavan forest

> after a while.

 

Yes in shastra it describes that one of the gopis' services was to collect

cow dung and make it into cow patties for cooking. Even Radharani herself

used to do this service.

 

Also, according to Ayur Veda, cooking with cow dung patties gives the most

prana to the food.

[Guest guest]

> > How was it though, that 5000 years ago, it was a lush environment? There

> > were no bio-gas digesters then, and cooking was probably done by dung,

> > as if they'd used wood then there wouldn't be much of a Vrindavan forest

> > after a while.

 

>From research I have been doing lately, it seems that the older, natural

ways of farming, were just far superior. Recently an agricultural survey was

discovered in Madras (now Chennai), which was commisioned a couple of

hundred years ago by the British in that area. The survey listed districts

by name, giving yields and other information. The survey was so well done,

and due to the fact that all the districts were still identifiable, it was

decided to do another survey of exactly the same areas. These areas have

been under standard chemical cultivation for many years. They were

astonished to find that the yeilds were five times greater 200 years ago!

Without any chemicals, and so called advanced technology!

 

Just goes to show.

 

YS

[Guest guest]

"COM: Krsnendu (das) BCS (New Varsana - NZ)" wrote:

 

> [Text 2509524 from COM]

>

> > How was it though, that 5000 years ago, it was a lush environment? There

> > were no bio-gas digesters then, and cooking was probably done by dung, as

> > if they'd used wood then there wouldn't be much of a Vrindavan forest

> > after a while.

>

> Yes in shastra it describes that one of the gopis' services was to collect

> cow dung and make it into cow patties for cooking. Even Radharani herself

> used to do this service.

>

 

Hare Krsna dasi comments:

 

This is interesting information. Could you tell us where this pastime is

described?

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi