Guest guest Posted July 26, 1999 Report Share Posted July 26, 1999 I recently (within the last couple of months) read a text in which devotees were telling Srila Prabhupada that they now tell people to stay at their homes and practise Krishna consciousness. Srila Prabhupada replied that they shouldn't stay at home but should come to our farms. I think it was on one of these conferences. Can someone please send me the quote and the reference. ys, Krsnendu das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 "COM: Krsnendu (das) BCS (New Varsana - NZ)" wrote: > [Text 2505738 from COM] > > I recently (within the last couple of months) read a text in which devotees > were telling Srila Prabhupada that they now tell people to stay at their > homes and practise Krishna consciousness. Srila Prabhupada replied that they > shouldn't stay at home but should come to our farms. > > I think it was on one of these conferences. > > Can someone please send me the quote and the reference. > > ys, > Krsnendu das Hare Krsna dasi comments: You are refering to a very important varnasrama conversation that Srila Prabhupada had on the train to Allahabad on 11 January 1977: ************************** Prabhupada: Sraddha-sabde visvasa sudrdha niscaya. This is basic platform, that "What Krsna says, that is truth." Krsna bhakti kaile sarva-karma krta haya: "If I follow Krsna, then my business is complete." This is intelligence. Now... We have come to the open field. How it is nice. And so long we were passing through that congested areas--hellish, simply hellish. And now here is open space. How it is nice. Hari-sauri: To enter into a city is so imposing on your consciousness. Prabhupada: Up to that point, simply rubbish, all papers thrown here and there. People are living in... Now see here, how it is open and pleasing. Organize this farm project. Farm. (background talking) Hari-sauri: He's just saying that in the West one requires a great deal of capital. To start a farm, to get the land, you need a lot of money because land is very expensive. And also we have to use modern farming techniques because we have so few men to run the farms. Prabhupada: No, you show example. People will do automatically. When the people find it is very nice, they will take. Hari-sauri: Should we try to make an effort to have our householders go and live on the farms, a special effort? If it's ready to do that? Prabhupada: Why householders? Everyone. Hare Krsna. (japa) Ramesvara: In America there is a very big emphasis on getting people to join us by moving into our temples. The temple presidents are very eager to get as many people to move in as possible, but in the long run most people cannot come up to the standard. Prabhupada: Therefore I am [advocating]... Farms. Ramesvara: So they have to be encouraged to have a little bit of Krsna consciousness in their own home, make their home a temple. Prabhupada: No, let them go to the farm, New Vrindaban. Ramesvara: Many people... Most people in the world, they are grhamedhis, and they cannot give it up so easily. Prabhupada: "No, you remain... Come here with your wife, children. You remain grhamedhi." Jagadisa: New Vrindaban is very austere. If we build little bungalows with modern convenience... Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Jagadisa: There has to be some modern convenience. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Then we shall do that. Ramesvara: But for many people who live in the cities, they have their jobs already. They don't want to give it up. Prabhupada: (train slows down) What is the nonsense? No, there is a station? No station. Jagadisa: Why does this train keep stopping? (train stops) Prabhupada: Hare Krsna. Hare Krsna. Jaya. Jagadisa: Why does the train keep stopping? Prabhupada: Who is this gentleman? Hari-sauri: Pradyumna? Prabhupada: Oh, Pradyumna. Ramesvara: Say, in America, most people live in the cities, and they already have their job, and they are set in their ways. Prabhupada: But you said that there is unemployment also. Ramesvara: To a certain extent. But there are still 250,000,000 people. So most of them... Prabhupada: So those who are unemployed, let them come to us. We shall give them employment. Ramesvara: Yes. But for the mass population... Prabhupada: Well, gradually you will increase and... Ramesvara: We have to give them something that they can do in their home. Prabhupada: Oh, yes. Ramesvara: Because it is impractical to think that they will give up everything and move into the temple. Prabhupada: No, those who are unemployed, let them come. We shall give them employment. Jagadisa: On the farm. Prabhupada: Yes. Ramesvara: For those who are unemployed, that's attractive. Jagadisa: But for those who are already employed... Ramesvara: But most people have jobs. Prabhupada: Eh? Ramesvara: Many people already have their jobs and their families. Prabhupada: All right, let them not come, but those who are unemployed, let them come. Ramesvara: But what...? For those people who already have their jobs, instead of... Prabhupada: That job... They will be very soon jobless. Don't worry. (laughs) They will come. They will be obliged to come. Now they have got job, but as the days are advancing in Kali-yuga, they'll be jobless. ************************************** I have added the Apocalypse conference to this letter because of Srila Prabhupada's ominous reference about forthcoming unemployment. Naturally one cannot help but think of the likelihood of increased unemployment all around the world because of Y2K computer problems. If Korean banks or shipping companies crash, for example, how will American workers who depend on Korean-made components be able to continue manufacturing different products? What if they lose their jobs? Naturally, this is just one tiny example of possible problems. But what can people do if they become jobless due to Y2K problems? Srila Prabhupada is ready with the answer: "We shall give them employment on our farms." Instead of being a catastrophe for them, it will end up being a spiritual opportunity. At least this is Srila Prabhupada's vision. And, as you significantly have pointed out, according to Srila Prabhupada's vision, it is not necessary that people become devotees first, before they come to our farm communities. No, rather he states, "you remain grhmedhis." His idea of course is not that they will remain grhmedhis forever. His idea is that when they come for shelter and employment, they will gradually turn into devotees because they are treated nicely and find security in a Krsna conscious community. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 1999 Report Share Posted July 28, 1999 > Srila Prabhupada is ready with the answer: "We shall give them employment > on our farms." Instead of being a catastrophe for them, it will end up > being a spiritual opportunity. But can our farms maintain them and their families or pay them a salary so that they can pay their bills? Or should they rather start their own farm and maintain themselfs and chant Hare Krsna, in the area where there are already devotee farms? > At least this is Srila Prabhupada's vision. > > And, as you significantly have pointed out, according to Srila > Prabhupada's vision, it is not necessary that people become devotees > first, before they come to our farm communities. No, rather he states, > "you remain grhmedhis." His idea of course is not that they will remain > grhmedhis forever. His idea is that when they come for shelter and > employment, they will gradually turn into devotees because they are > treated nicely and find security in a Krsna conscious community. A Krsna conscious community which can expand into a devotee village where there is much land around would be indeed a good idea, but just to have a farm and invite people to move to this farm, where nothing belongs to them, is this realistic to atract someone with his family to live there? How many families can be maintaind from one farm? > your servant, > Hare Krsna dasi ys Harsi das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 1999 Report Share Posted July 29, 1999 > > > Ramesvara: For those who are unemployed, that's attractive. > Jagadisa: But for those who are already employed... > Ramesvara: But most people have jobs. > Prabhupada: Eh? > Ramesvara: Many people already have their jobs and their families. > Prabhupada: All right, let them not come, but those who are unemployed, let > them > come. > Ramesvara: But what...? For those people who already have their jobs, instead > of... > Prabhupada: That job... They will be very soon jobless. Don't worry. (laughs) > They will come. They will be obliged to come. Now they have got job, but as the > days are advancing in Kali-yuga, they'll be jobless. > > ************************************** So let those who are employed pay into the endowment funds to build up the farms. Then, when they are jobless, they will have a place to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 1999 Report Share Posted July 29, 1999 > So let those who are employed pay into the endowment funds to build up the > farms. > Then, when they are jobless, they will have a place to go. Great idea in this day and age. It is a fact that once there was no question of being made redundant, especialy in places like Japan. But now there is no such security anywhere. I have heard that in Italy, pensions are being drasticaly reduced. Imagine you work your whole life for a guaranteed pension, and then the government says 'sorry...' It is a fact that the world is becoming more and more unreliable, in almost everway. Srila Prabhupada said it. Why should we doubt? YS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 1999 Report Share Posted July 29, 1999 "COM: Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius)" wrote: > [Text 2514129 from COM] > > > A Krsna conscious community which can expand into a devotee village where > > there is much land around would be indeed a good idea, but just to have a > > farm and invite people to move to this farm, where nothing belongs to > > them, is this realistic to atract someone with his family to live there? > > Obviously not, we have to be prepared. > > > How many families can be maintaind from one farm? > > Depends on the size of the farm. > > YS Also on the carrying capacity of the land which is dependent on rainfall, potential for sustainable irrigation, lay of the land, temperature extremes, humus content of the soil, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 1999 Report Share Posted August 3, 1999 >"COM: Krsnendu (das) BCS (New Varsana - NZ)" <Krsnendu.BCS (AT) bbt (DOT) se> >Krsnendu.BCS (AT) bbt (DOT) se, Apocalypse.1999?@bbt.se, >Agriculture.and.the.Environment (AT) bbt (DOT) se, Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se, >Varnasrama.development (AT) bbt (DOT) se, Prabhupada.Said (AT) bbt (DOT) se >"COM: Kaunteya (das) JPS (Mayapur - IN)" <Kaunteya.JPS (AT) bbt (DOT) se> >CC: "COM: Agriculture and the Environment" ><Agriculture.and.the.Environment (AT) bbt (DOT) se>, "COM: Cow (Protection and >related issues)" <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se>, "COM: Prabhupada Said" ><Prabhupada.Said (AT) bbt (DOT) se>, "COM: Varnasrama development" ><Varnasrama.development (AT) bbt (DOT) se> >"Let them come to our farms" >Mon, 26 Jul 99 14:08 +0630 > >[Text 2505738 from COM] > >I recently (within the last couple of months) read a text in which devotees >were telling Srila Prabhupada that they now tell people to stay at their >homes and practise Krishna consciousness. Srila Prabhupada replied that >they >shouldn't stay at home but should come to our farms. > >I think it was on one of these conferences. > >Can someone please send me the quote and the reference. > >ys, >Krsnendu das I'm sorry, its a fact, I happened to just read it over the weekend, but I can only get to this internet computer about once a week, and even then I can't get time to read all the entries. Help??? Maybe someone else can help in the meantime..., Srila Prabhupada's talking with Ramesvara who is trying to present home preaching as the answer, but Srila P rabhupada's saying, no, farms ('76 I think). If no luck, I'll look it up in the next week. Sorry for the delay, YS, Niscala ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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