Thermophylic composting of humanure

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"COM: Radha Krsna (das) ACBSP GB (Great Britain)" wrote:

 

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> Yes, Jenkins method it is the same as Howards method basically. Therefore it

> is thermophylic composting, BUT he does not diligently add the variety of

> other materials which are available around the house and garden

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> Devotees wash with water therefore in my experience this needs to be

> separated. Have you tried the system you talk of?

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> Theory is one thing but experience is another.

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> Seperation is better and more reliable when you are talking large scale.

> This is different to a one off small family.

 

There are still a few things I don't clearly understand.

 

You mention that you separate the stool and the urine. Now let's say I wanted

to use a couple of satvik toilets in my Temple in Boston for Y2K. We'll say

that the Boston sewage was inoperable for a week. So I guess that I would save

the stool in the paper bag disposable units that you describe. These I could

throw in garbage bags and pack off with the trash. I can see that part would

work. But what do I do with the urine for the week if the city tells me that I

cannot flush it down the toilet?

 

Second question is that you comment that the advantage of your system is that

it

deals with wash water (I still don't understand what I would do with a week's

worth of wash water mixed with urine for my temple). But, the problem is this:

what if the municipal water system goes down for the first week of January.

Then how does the satvik toilet work? Would you advise that devotees should

increase their per-person quota of stored water for toilet hygiene needs? If

so, by how much? Say the Red Cross advises me to store 1 gallon of water per

person per day -- if my temple uses the satvik toilet system and water hygiene

for toilet, what would a responsible per-person water quota be in that case? Or

is it possible to use toilet paper with your system in that type of emergency

situation?

 

Then, I can understand better how the satvik toilet could be used to meet the

type of Y2K municiple water-and-sewage problems which at least some of our

temples will probably be experiencing in a few months.

 

your servant,

 

Hare Krsna dasi

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Haribol Humanure students

Back to one of my favorite topics. Biogas. Biogas does not require

seperating the liquids and solids. Just throw all of it in the biogas

digester and add enough water and stir so you can get a creamy slurry, pop

the top on. And bingo biogas. Urine is very important in the production of

methane. If you can't get enough urine add a cup of ammonia to your mixture,

if the slurry won't start producing gas.

There are several excellent books from mother earth news to popular

science magazines You can find them in a library near you. Check it out!

Carol

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Anyone using our kind of toilet needs to have a garden not too far away.

The Indore compost heap is essential for complete disposal of the waste.

The liquid - howevermuch you get is then poured as a watering agent for the

compost heap or the urine can be collected seperately and used as a

fertiliser dilute at 10:1. An extra straw bale can absorb excess. This will

then compost automatically.

The Satvik Indore system is designed for karmis also so paper is not a

problem. We were disposing of all waste cardboard and paper plates in this

way in Mayapur. The system was used very successfully recently at a function

of 450 people at a Narayana Maharaja festival here in a London suburb.

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Most books I have seen recommend not using humanure on "edible root or leaf

crops" (The toilet papers.) Is humanure compost made with the Indore method

safe to use?

 

Do you know anything about the Berkely Method? From what I have read it is

the fastest method of composting.

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In a message dated 2/28/00 2:08:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

Krsnendu.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

 

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> Most books I have seen recommend not using humanure on "edible root or

> leaf

> crops" (The toilet papers.) Is humanure compost made with the Indore method

> safe to use?

>

> Do you know anything about the Berkely Method? From what I have read it is

> the fastest method of composting.

> No I have not heard about the Berkley method. What is done and how to

speed up the composting process?????? Inquiring minds want to know?

It is my understanding that any method of composting that gets hot

enough to kill all the fungi, worms, and bacteria I think 132oF for three

days is safe to place in your gardens and the resulting produce is safe and

nourishing to eat. Raw sewage placed on crops (Human stool et) is defiantly

not safe! It still has all the bacteria and worms and STUFF you never want

to catch. Properly composted waste is clean more or less odorless and is

excellent for food crops. It is safe, and less we get the various compost

gurus squabbling like children in a nursery school. The purpose of

composting human stool is (1) to produce good safe compost (2) to not waist a

valuable resources (3) to prevent the waste of excess water and to reduce to

pollution of our streams, waterways and aquifers. The secret of safe compost

is producing a high temperature and maintaining it for long enough to kill

any dangerous organisms. AIDS for instance will die outside a host (human)

in seconds. Some, poop from strong healthy people has almost no disease

pathogens. But it still isn't safe because weaker people may be able to

contract illness very easily that wouldn't hurt healthy people. The

necessary temp to break down most organic material is between 157oF to 170oF

(77oC) So no matter what you are composting if UN sure get one of those big

long thermometers and stick it in your compost pile and keep records of the

temp. That alone will make the compost safe. Human poop is not a hot manure

but it can fairly easily be kept at the correct temp especially if you throw

in some kitchen scraps so more air can get in and do its thing. When it has

finished "cooking" it is just "Dirt! " compost that can be used on all of

your crops with safety.

Though there are many different methods the object of these methods is

to kill bacteria, fungus and worms and any other nasty that might be lurking

in your compost pile. From what I have read almost all do the job with great

success. The method and ease of handling the raw product is mostly the

issue, and the time it takes. Some processes take two to three years! With

many of the processes it is ease and no hassles that the user wants. I

personally have used the humanure method to good effect. I am about to try

the Satvik potty I will report back when I have a big enough pile to test.

But guys remember inspite of all the hype. Temperature is the critical

ingredient. That's why I like Biogas. To produce the gas it has to get hot

enough to cook the bacteria. That is good enough for me! That way I get

away from the thermometer and shoveling from one pile to the other, (great

exercise but time consuming) Just add poop water and stir till a creamy

texture has occurred. Pop on the lid and in ten days you got gas baby. Gas

for the next three months! Then roll the barrel out into the garden and open

the top and out goes essentially sterile liquid gold..... well, black stuff.

It is more or less odorless smells a little swampy to me. My plants go into

hyper drive whenever I pour it on the rows.

For those of you interested in Human compost. A study in Sweden on one

composting toilet indicates a single person can produce 60 LB (approximately

30 K) of fertilizer per year! Wouldn't you have liked to had the grant to do

that study? here:-)

Carol

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>I am about to try

>the Satvik potty I will report back when I have a big enough pile to test.

 

Any heap that you build for this system I find must be at least four feet

square, then it will build up in temperature.

 

The reason for turning is to ensure all the stuff on the outside gets turned

into the inside so cooking is complete, destroying fly larvae etc.

 

In England leading scientists are determining that it is not advisable to

place even animal manure on to crops that may have eadible leaves that may

be touched by the manure. There is risk of Ecoli..........

Hence the necessity of thorough composting.

 

Human effluent correctly placed in an Indore style heap from a Satvik Indore

Toilet in it's Biodegradable bag is offenceless in 10 days and is virtually

undetectable by the first turn.

 

 

If one person produces 30kg in a year then how much work is this to turn

such a small amount.

 

 

 

 

I have been asked to make a 30 minute presentation to the Technical Advisors

of 'Water Aid' in June, as they are very interested in a sewage system that

is not affected by flood disaster areas.

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In a message dated 3/2/00 3:50:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

Radha.Krsna.ACBSP.GB (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes:

 

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> >I am about to try

> >the Satvik potty I will report back when I have a big enough pile to test.

>

> Any heap that you build for this system I find must be at least four feet

> square, then it will build up in temperature.

>

Say, guys are you implying that I am full of Poop?????? Well, in that case

thank you for the compliment, It is nice to know that I can fill a four foot

square in a hurry. I resemble that last remark of yours.

Poopie yours Carol

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> I have been asked to make a 30 minute presentation to the Technical

> Advisors of 'Water Aid' in June, as they are very interested in a sewage

> system that is not affected by flood disaster areas.

 

Why dont you make a video presentation of your system? I think it would be

an excellent marketing tool, and would dispel a lot of doubts, as well as

create more favourable interest.

 

I would certainly purchase one. It should show th composting method, and the

toilet itself, etc.

 

YS Samba das

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>Why dont you make a video presentation of your system? I think it would be

>an excellent marketing tool, and would dispel a lot of doubts, as well as

>create more favourable interest.

 

>I would certainly purchase one. It should show th composting method, and

>the

>toilet itself, etc.

 

>YS Samba das

 

Send me the money and I'll do it tommorrow.