Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Dear Chandrashekhar ji Thanks for the point regarding trines. Debilitatiion navamsha will reduce the strength.But Shukra and its role in Bhoga ,though not extensively,can be controlled because of such a weak condition,helping one to make atleast a small step towards spirituality. Jupiter if exalted in the 10th ,occuppies,the strongest kendra,but bereft of directional strength.What point should be born in mind or how do we differentiate a Guru in lagna with sthanabala,and Guru in 10th with sthanabala,from your experience.As mentioned below for shukra,does it mean strongest kendra will give better results(fructification) while digbala gives complete strength for planets.Kindly correct. Thanks for the important points regarding Chandra and Surya. Respect Pradeep , Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46> wrote: > > Dear Pradeep, For results of the apex, 9 you are right, I am talking > about Dharma, Artha Kama Moksha), it is the trines that have to support > its results. So shubha grahas have to be in 12th or 8th for Moksha or > previous birth assessment. Shukra in exaltation in 4th, by itself will > give many vehicles and other happiness. > > Vargottama Uccha Shukra will be stronger than Vargottama Neecha Shukra. > But the results will depend on the bhava occupied. Uccha graha in Trika > sthana does not give good results of the sthana generally whereas the > Neecha one does give good results being VRY. But 4th being weaker of > the kendras, normally Shukra there should give results on reduced scale > a compared to say the 7th. But getting Digbala it is more likely to give > better results of PMP yoga in the 4th bhava than in the 7th bhava. In > 10th results would be similar to 4th bhava as the Kendra is strongest > amongst Kendras but Shukra is bereft of digbala in 10th. If it is > debilitated in navamsha then its occupation of Kendra in exaltation rasi > will not give results of PMP yoga. rest you can work out. > > Chandra is given more importance than Surya in Vedic astrology as it is > said "ChaandraM VeeryaM Veerya balam grahaanaaM". It is fructifier of > the yogas. Surya as Atma also has great importance being the initiator > of yogas. But it must be understood that it is the Mana that is variable > and takes Atma through all the good or bad experiences of life. Again a > strong Surya can also give ego which can hurt, therefore, relatively, > more importance is given to Chandra. > > However in gochar one has to look at both as in gochar we are trying to > find the fructification of an event that has to be both initiated and > fructified. > > Of course, this is my personal opinion and those more learned than me > may hold a different opinion. > > Take care, > Chandrashekhar. > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > I hope you mean, kendras being apex of Dharamarthakamamoksha > > trikonas.Then 4th house is apex of moksha and chandra and shukra gets > > digbala there.If suppose shukra is exalted there,how is it leading one > > towards moksha.As you have mentioned navamsha strength,how do we compare > > a vargottama ucha shukra and shukra joining its debilitation rashi > > through navamsha sambandha,w.r to moksha. > > > > Strength of chandra is well understood as it is the one who > > nourishes.Dashadhyayi says - chandra and surya represent atma/mana and > > as they have paraspara ashryatwa,strength of one will strengthen the > > other as well.Also it says strength of surya will give Paurusha touch to > > all acts,while chandra will give karya sidhi or success in all > > endeavours.Thus one can achieve success either through atma bala or > > manobala.Kindly share your understanding on the above. > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep you have understood right. Not only sthanabala, even > > > strength from navamsha is also importance along with the Bala of > > Chandra > > > for assessing the strength with which a yoga shall fructify. Even > > > amongst the Kendra there is different strength to each Kendra and > > again > > > each of the Kendra is apex of a particular type of Trikona. This has > > to > > > be factored in for finding out how a yoga will work, in practice. > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > As you have mentioned earlier in this thread,how a yoga works ,is > > > > important .Your guidance is helpful. > > > > After reading your points on digbala - i feel,though sthanabala is > > > > important,digbala gives the planet the right dishabodha or where/how > > to > > > > proceed.In other words the direction of the planet is proper,and > > hence > > > > able to give the results in full.Hope i have understood it > > correctly. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > I knew what you meant. Though the word bhanga is used, it means > > > > > reduction in results. So one may not be like a King but exalted > > Venus > > > > > would still, give some good results being in Kendra is logical. > > This > > > > is > > > > > more so as any of the 4 kendras would be occupied by exalted > > Shukra > > > > and > > > > > whereas in 4th it will have digbala, in 10th it will be bereft of > > > > > digbala. So results ought to differ. > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Sorry for using the word nullification -it is weakening or > > > > > > diminishing as you have rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the detailed reply.As blemish caused to Jupiter > > being > > > > > > the > > > > > > > reason for nullification was clear in your mail,i did not > > mention > > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > again.As i had not read the original shloka, my doubts were - > > why > > > > > > does > > > > > > > blemish caused to Jupiter affects just Malavya and not other > > > > > > > Mahapurushas.As Malavya happens,not only when Venus is > > > > > > exalted ,but > > > > > > > also when in taurus and Libra,dispositor role of Jupiter, > > didn't > > > > > > give a > > > > > > > complete answer.Thus my doubt of it being the exaltation > > lord.But > > > > > > your > > > > > > > mail has clarified all doubts,as original shloka is specific > > and > > > > > > points > > > > > > > to exaltaion of Shukra and hence blemish caused to dispositor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhoga and Spirituality were equally good explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiter alone , it has to be aspected or conjunct > > > > > > Saturn for > > > > > > > > cancellation of Malavya yoga. Saturn and Jupiter when > > > > > > influencing each > > > > > > > > other indicate the possibility of spiritual awakening. > > Malavya > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > being created by Venus relates to Bhoga which is exactly > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > spirituality and this might be the reason that the results > > of > > > > > > Malavya > > > > > > > > yoga get nullified ( I would say diminished). However if we > > look > > > > > > at > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > original shloka it also talks of Venus in exaltation going > > waste > > > > > > and > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > troubled by planets with Malavya yoga when Jupiter is > > aspected > > > > or > > > > > > > > conjunct Shani. The principle there is the blemish to the > > > > > > dispositor > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > Shukra causing the yoga going waste. > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be the reason behind Jupiter nullifying > > Malavya.Why > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > specific on Malavya and not Bhadra/Ruchaka etc. > > > > > > > > > Can Jupiter being the exaltation lord of Shukra a reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > It does exist in C K Nadi and I had referred the same in > > the > > > > > > > thread on > > > > > > > > > > the subject before it got diluted. > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought would post as an afterthought though the > > thread is > > > > > > dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandubhai (C.S.Patel) in one of his articles in Feb > > 1984 > > > > > > > > > Astrological > > > > > > > > > > > Magazine writes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrakala Nadi.Vol.2, Part 1, Page 5 verse No 27 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In a nativity, if Jup is associated with OR aspected > > by > > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > > Malavya Yoga is nullified. The good results of Ven are > > not > > > > > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > > > > and the native is troubled by blemish." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anybody knows of any such verse in Chandrakala nadi > > pls > > > > > > post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 Dear Pradeep, Jupiter is with 50% digbala strength when occupying the 10th house. It is bereft of strength in 7th bhava. So it will on the average give about 75% strength results, though it is difficult to quantify the results as other parameters like affliction to the rasis lorded by Guru and aspects received by both Guru and its rasis have also to be factored in. The thing to be remembered with Jupiter is that it has a tendency of harming one of the indications of the house it occupies. Greater the strength more the possibility of harm that it may cause. At the same time its aspect becomes more and more benefic. In the instance quoted by you, if in exaltation or friend's house it will give houses, devotion to mother but could give some problems in work or wealth of father or even to the life of father 190th being Maraka for the 9th bhava. If in own house, following the dictum "Papoi Svagriha gataH shubhakara" there would not be much harm to the indications of the 10th bhava. If it be lord of a Kendra other than the 10th then it will attract Kendraadhipati dosha and the effects especially in its dashas are not likely to be good. Now coming to your question what is happening here is that Jupiter in 10th the strongest of Kendra and with only 50% digbala would even things out and fairly strong effects of Jupiter would be experienced. About Shukra, digbala is one of the strength of grahas the strength varying from 100% to Nil. In case of Kendras the Kendras are stronger in ascending order from lagna to the 10th but none is with out strength or nil strength. So in weakening or strengthening of overall strength of a grahas Digbala has a greater say than individual Kendras, is the way I would look at the overall scenario. As I said these are my personal views and those more learned than me may hold different views. Take care, Chandrashekhar. vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > Thanks for the point regarding trines. > Debilitatiion navamsha will reduce the strength.But Shukra and its role > in Bhoga ,though not extensively,can be controlled because of such a > weak condition,helping one to make atleast a small step towards > spirituality. > Jupiter if exalted in the 10th ,occuppies,the strongest kendra,but > bereft of directional strength.What point should be born in mind or how > do we differentiate a Guru in lagna with sthanabala,and Guru in 10th > with sthanabala,from your experience.As mentioned below for shukra,does > it mean strongest kendra will give better results(fructification) while > digbala gives complete strength for planets.Kindly correct. > Thanks for the important points regarding Chandra and Surya. > > Respect > Pradeep > > , Chandrashekhar > <chandrashekhar46> wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep, For results of the apex, 9 you are right, I am talking > > about Dharma, Artha Kama Moksha), it is the trines that have to > support > > its results. So shubha grahas have to be in 12th or 8th for Moksha or > > previous birth assessment. Shukra in exaltation in 4th, by itself will > > give many vehicles and other happiness. > > > > Vargottama Uccha Shukra will be stronger than Vargottama Neecha > Shukra. > > But the results will depend on the bhava occupied. Uccha graha in > Trika > > sthana does not give good results of the sthana generally whereas the > > Neecha one does give good results being VRY. But 4th being weaker of > > the kendras, normally Shukra there should give results on reduced > scale > > a compared to say the 7th. But getting Digbala it is more likely to > give > > better results of PMP yoga in the 4th bhava than in the 7th bhava. In > > 10th results would be similar to 4th bhava as the Kendra is strongest > > amongst Kendras but Shukra is bereft of digbala in 10th. If it is > > debilitated in navamsha then its occupation of Kendra in exaltation > rasi > > will not give results of PMP yoga. rest you can work out. > > > > Chandra is given more importance than Surya in Vedic astrology as it > is > > said "ChaandraM VeeryaM Veerya balam grahaanaaM". It is fructifier of > > the yogas. Surya as Atma also has great importance being the initiator > > of yogas. But it must be understood that it is the Mana that is > variable > > and takes Atma through all the good or bad experiences of life. Again > a > > strong Surya can also give ego which can hurt, therefore, relatively, > > more importance is given to Chandra. > > > > However in gochar one has to look at both as in gochar we are trying > to > > find the fructification of an event that has to be both initiated and > > fructified. > > > > Of course, this is my personal opinion and those more learned than me > > may hold a different opinion. > > > > Take care, > > Chandrashekhar. > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > I hope you mean, kendras being apex of Dharamarthakamamoksha > > > trikonas.Then 4th house is apex of moksha and chandra and shukra > gets > > > digbala there.If suppose shukra is exalted there,how is it leading > one > > > towards moksha.As you have mentioned navamsha strength,how do we > compare > > > a vargottama ucha shukra and shukra joining its debilitation rashi > > > through navamsha sambandha,w.r to moksha. > > > > > > Strength of chandra is well understood as it is the one who > > > nourishes.Dashadhyayi says - chandra and surya represent atma/mana > and > > > as they have paraspara ashryatwa,strength of one will strengthen the > > > other as well.Also it says strength of surya will give Paurusha > touch to > > > all acts,while chandra will give karya sidhi or success in all > > > endeavours.Thus one can achieve success either through atma bala or > > > manobala.Kindly share your understanding on the above. > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep you have understood right. Not only sthanabala, even > > > > strength from navamsha is also importance along with the Bala of > > > Chandra > > > > for assessing the strength with which a yoga shall fructify. Even > > > > amongst the Kendra there is different strength to each Kendra and > > > again > > > > each of the Kendra is apex of a particular type of Trikona. This > has > > > to > > > > be factored in for finding out how a yoga will work, in practice. > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > As you have mentioned earlier in this thread,how a yoga works > ,is > > > > > important .Your guidance is helpful. > > > > > After reading your points on digbala - i feel,though sthanabala > is > > > > > important,digbala gives the planet the right dishabodha or > where/how > > > to > > > > > proceed.In other words the direction of the planet is proper,and > > > hence > > > > > able to give the results in full.Hope i have understood it > > > correctly. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > I knew what you meant. Though the word bhanga is used, it > means > > > > > > reduction in results. So one may not be like a King but > exalted > > > Venus > > > > > > would still, give some good results being in Kendra is > logical. > > > This > > > > > is > > > > > > more so as any of the 4 kendras would be occupied by exalted > > > Shukra > > > > > and > > > > > > whereas in 4th it will have digbala, in 10th it will be bereft > of > > > > > > digbala. So results ought to differ. > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > Sorry for using the word nullification -it is weakening or > > > > > > > diminishing as you have rightly said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > , "vijayadas_pradeep" > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the detailed reply.As blemish caused to Jupiter > > > being > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > reason for nullification was clear in your mail,i did not > > > mention > > > > > > > saturn > > > > > > > > again.As i had not read the original shloka, my doubts > were - > > > why > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > blemish caused to Jupiter affects just Malavya and not > other > > > > > > > > Mahapurushas.As Malavya happens,not only when Venus is > > > > > > > exalted ,but > > > > > > > > also when in taurus and Libra,dispositor role of Jupiter, > > > didn't > > > > > > > give a > > > > > > > > complete answer.Thus my doubt of it being the exaltation > > > lord.But > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > mail has clarified all doubts,as original shloka is > specific > > > and > > > > > > > points > > > > > > > > to exaltaion of Shukra and hence blemish caused to > dispositor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhoga and Spirituality were equally good explanations. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > <chandrashekhar46@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > It is not Jupiter alone , it has to be aspected or > conjunct > > > > > > > Saturn for > > > > > > > > > cancellation of Malavya yoga. Saturn and Jupiter when > > > > > > > influencing each > > > > > > > > > other indicate the possibility of spiritual awakening. > > > Malavya > > > > > > > yoga > > > > > > > > > being created by Venus relates to Bhoga which is exactly > > > > > opposite > > > > > > > > > spirituality and this might be the reason that the > results > > > of > > > > > > > Malavya > > > > > > > > > yoga get nullified ( I would say diminished). However if > we > > > look > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > original shloka it also talks of Venus in exaltation > going > > > waste > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > one > > > > > > > > > troubled by planets with Malavya yoga when Jupiter is > > > aspected > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > conjunct Shani. The principle there is the blemish to > the > > > > > > > dispositor > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > Shukra causing the yoga going waste. > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekhar ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What could be the reason behind Jupiter nullifying > > > Malavya.Why > > > > > > > it is > > > > > > > > > > specific on Malavya and not Bhadra/Ruchaka etc. > > > > > > > > > > Can Jupiter being the exaltation lord of Shukra a > reason. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Chandrashekhar > > > > > > > > > > chandrashekhar46@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil, > > > > > > > > > > > It does exist in C K Nadi and I had referred the > same in > > > the > > > > > > > > thread on > > > > > > > > > > > the subject before it got diluted. > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suniljohn_2002 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++Om Datta Guru++ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thought would post as an afterthought though the > > > thread is > > > > > > > dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandubhai (C.S.Patel) in one of his articles in > Feb > > > 1984 > > > > > > > > > > Astrological > > > > > > > > > > > > Magazine writes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandrakala Nadi.Vol.2, Part 1, Page 5 verse No 27 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "In a nativity, if Jup is associated with OR > aspected > > > by > > > > > > > Saturn, > > > > > > > > > > > > Malavya Yoga is nullified. The good results of Ven > are > > > not > > > > > > > > > > experienced > > > > > > > > > > > > and the native is troubled by blemish." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If anybody knows of any such verse in Chandrakala > nadi > > > pls > > > > > > > post. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > SJ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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