case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 30/5 comment on subject only.

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RR,

  as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here, if we r  discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what ur  collectin of short stories, poems etc.

  but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

 

  IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s fresh thnking, it is a poor connection.

 

  AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do enough  research on my own and accept such findings by others like what ICAS,  KN RAO etc have done.

 

  I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul Maurice etc here  in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS weely discussions  memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries participate we do get  at worign seriously.

 

  BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU CAN GIVE A VUEW IT IS WELCOME

 

  MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is weak - I sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS.

  THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give only full results?

  WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I will like your research to throw as many as You can.

 

  aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children is it the  job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her Putrasthana

  she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not her 5th lord in 8th with ketu

 

  PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short stories, poetry have NO USE

 

  i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories if you  have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate everyone there.

 

  I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu, Malyalam literature too.

 

 

crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote:        Dear Prafulla,

 

  There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

  soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying it!

 

  Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

  stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and created

  edifices of reality around that perception.

 

  When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

  feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

 

  A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination that

  still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

 

  One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam, korea,

  india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

 

  The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected out

  of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got shipped

  back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

  rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or those

  times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of anything

  more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

  afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

 

  Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child and

  was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being one

  of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

 

  Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it? The

  mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

  perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she has

  no clue.

 

  The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

  inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

  society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is it!>

 

  Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

  illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

  exploited too long to even recover en masse!

 

  Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

  they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation stand

  upon?

 

  RR

 

 

 

   , Prafulla Gang <jyotish>

  wrote:

  >

  > Dear Mr Kumar

  >

  > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily

  (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

  discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined

  in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I

  could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

  ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

  astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and

  worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for

  events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way -

   linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

  classics.

  >

  > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding

  principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to

  inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future

  events).

  >

  > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am

  not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward

  to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

  >

  > regards / Prafulla Gang

  >

  > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

  the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

  purify a man who is not free of doubts.

  >

  >

  > >

  > > gbp_kumar

  > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

  > >

  > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

  > >

  > > Dear Prafulla,

  > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS.

  as fonts

  > > or colors r not supported in JR

  > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

  > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

  which  are

  > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classics 

  reference)?

  > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can  yoga be

  > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas for 

  results,

  > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

  > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

  > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra,

  Moola

  > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its

  own

  > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

  > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

  > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

  results  will be

  > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under such 

  combinations

  > > yoga cease to exist.

  > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

  > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by

  so many

  > > factors yogas.

  > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

  > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

  > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also

  there.

  > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important

  without

  > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

  RESULTS.

  > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

  > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love

  to  see

  > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

  (Yes,  I am

  > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

  > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can

  not  this

  > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

  supposed  to

  > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

  > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

  itself, and

  > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring

  too;

  > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

  > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

  AUTHORITY BUT

  > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of  ICAS,

  my guiding

  > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

  > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

  discussing  its

  > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

  > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it

  so many

  > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic

  etc

  > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC

  COMPARED

  > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where

  NONE OF

  > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

  > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

  gives slowly

  > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

  > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees

  how

  > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

  > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

  > > through CINEA, TV came in.

  > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

  hnonor, may

  > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but

  at times

  > > no  wealth to flaunt.

  > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

  > > malefic.

  > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post, will scan

  a page  of

  > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

  > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

  > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

  on  the

  > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can 

  purify a

  > > man who is not free of doubts.

  > >     

  > >    gbp_kumar

  > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

  > >   

  > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

  28/5

  > >      Dear Prafulla,

  > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

  wherever  he

  > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such 

  light] did

  > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

  > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

  > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

  > >      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but

  if u want an

  > > answer on it

  > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely

  will give

  > > that result who is Neecha too.

  > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

  > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

  > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

  STRENGTH  OF

  > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and 

  other Balas

  > > must  support it.

  > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

  defeats the

  > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

  > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended

  respect

  > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery 

  memorablie

  > > and made money for the freedom movement or any relief  programm

  and many

  > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy sign,

  with

  > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

  > >      we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due

  to

  > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

  > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>  >           I  was expecting this line of   argument from

  you (!!). I know,

  > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key things:

  > >            a.  is the jupiter strong for its

  relationship with moon?

  > >              b.  if the (a) is true  - is jupiter 

  poweful enough to render

  > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership, aspects

  and natural

  > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not strong

  enough -

  > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you

  justify

  > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak

  health of

  > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for

  husband  as

  > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest  in

  full - It

  > > does not !!!.

  > >              c.  yoga is   never  meant  to be

  partial or overridden; it is

  > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give

  results,

  > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the 

  native

  > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,   it is

  not strong.

  > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support yoga

  formation by

  > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone through 3

  > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if aspecting

  5th house

  > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha dasha).

  Even with

  > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled, all its

  > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the overriding

  factors -

  > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

  chart..and gaj

  > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

  classics..as I

  > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari saying that

  malefic /

  > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

  > >             I am  putting this example,  not to  prove

  or score; so please

  > > experiment the above rationale  from research  perspective. and

  under any

  > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological experience

  sharing

  > > into unnecessary  arguments.

  > >            regards / Prafulla Gang

  > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

  > >     

  > >      gbp_kumar

  > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

  > >     

  > >      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

  yoga 28/5

  > >      Prafulla,

  > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and

  fortune...

  > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

  > >        the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

  issues with

  > > lumanaries etc.

  > >        and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

  several other

  > > factors why not here?

  > >        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

  lord  itself WAK

  > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified  isn't it

  that is  one

  > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil? or an 

  earthquake

  > > prone  zone?

  > >        same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u

  want to buold

  > > in such place.

  > >      Prafulla Gang <jyotish>  wrote:        Dear

  Members

  > >      I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

  > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru 

  (whether  gaj

  > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

  > >        Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

  issues

  > >        Female

  > >        July 9, 1972

  > >        18.45 IST

  > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

  > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon 

  and 9th lord

  > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury in 8th;

  rahu  in

  > > 2nd house

  > >        Let us not build overriding theories; but validate 

  the fact that

  > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning dusthana

  houses  or

  > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga; feeble 

  yoga will

  > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all it  can -

  then it can

  > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of

  dusthana lords.

  > >        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

  lots  of luck

  > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around  natural 

  significations

  > > of  jupiter).

  > >        Please note that - this is not chart reading 

  request; but a

  > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

  > >        regards / Prafulla Gang

  > >  Prashantkumar G B

  > >    -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

  group

  > > but

  > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

  phone.

  > >    Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

  > >    09840051861

  > > 

  > >  New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

  PC and

  > > save big.

  > > 

[Guest guest]

I am thrilled to note that you could not keep yourself from reading

what I wrote though <guffaw!!>

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar> wrote:

>

> RR,

>   as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here, if we r

discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what ur

collectin of short stories, poems etc.

>   but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

>  

>   IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s fresh

thnking, it is a poor connection.

>  

>   AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do enough

research on my own and accept such findings by others like what ICAS,

KN RAO etc have done.

>  

>   I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul Maurice etc

here  in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS weely

discussions  memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries

participate we do get  at worign seriously.

>  

>   BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU CAN GIVE

A VUEW IT IS WELCOME

>  

>   MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is weak -

I sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS.

>   THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give only

full results?

>   WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I will

like your research to throw as many as You can.

>  

>   aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children is it

the  job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her Putrasthana

>   she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not her

5th lord in 8th with ketu

>  

>   PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short stories,

poetry have NO USE

>  

>   i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories if

you  have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate everyone

there.

>  

>   I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu,

Malyalam literature too.

>  

>

> crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:        Dear Prafulla,

>  

>   There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

>   soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying it!

>  

>   Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

>   stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and created

>   edifices of reality around that perception.

>  

>   When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

>   feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

>  

>   A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination that

>   still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

>  

>   One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam, korea,

>   india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

>  

>   The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected out

>   of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got shipped

>   back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

>   rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or those

>   times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of anything

>   more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

>   afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

>  

>   Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child and

>   was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being one

>   of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

>  

>   Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it? The

>   mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

>   perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she has

>   no clue.

>  

>   The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

>   inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

>   society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is it!>

>  

>   Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

>   illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

>   exploited too long to even recover en masse!

>  

>   Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

>   they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation stand

>   upon?

>  

>   RR

>  

>  

>  

>    , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>   wrote:

>   >

>   > Dear Mr Kumar

>   >

>   > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily

>   (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

>   discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined

>   in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I

>   could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

>   ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

>   astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and

>   worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for

>   events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way -

>    linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

>   classics.

>   >

>   > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding

>   principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to

>   inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future

>   events).

>   >

>   > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am

>   not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward

>   to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

>   >

>   > regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >

>   > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

>   the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

>   purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>   >

>   >

>   > >

>   > > gbp_kumar@

>   > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>   > >

>   > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

>   > >

>   > > Dear Prafulla,

>   > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS.

>   as fonts

>   > > or colors r not supported in JR

>   > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>   > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

>   which  are

>   > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classics 

>   reference)?

>   > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can  yoga be

>   > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas for 

>   results,

>   > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

>   > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

>   > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra,

>   Moola

>   > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its

>   own

>   > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

>   > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

>   > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

>   results  will be

>   > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under such 

>   combinations

>   > > yoga cease to exist.

>   > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

>   > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by

>   so many

>   > > factors yogas.

>   > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

>   > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

>   > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also

>   there.

>   > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important

>   without

>   > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

>   RESULTS.

>   > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

>   > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love

>   to  see

>   > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

>   (Yes,  I am

>   > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

>   > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can

>   not  this

>   > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

>   supposed  to

>   > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

>   > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

>   itself, and

>   > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring

>   too;

>   > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

>   > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

>   AUTHORITY BUT

>   > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of  ICAS,

>   my guiding

>   > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

>   > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

>   discussing  its

>   > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

>   > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it

>   so many

>   > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic

>   etc

>   > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC

>   COMPARED

>   > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where

>   NONE OF

>   > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

>   > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

>   gives slowly

>   > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

>   > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees

>   how

>   > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

>   > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

>   > > through CINEA, TV came in.

>   > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

>   hnonor, may

>   > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but

>   at times

>   > > no  wealth to flaunt.

>   > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

>   > > malefic.

>   > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post, will scan

>   a page  of

>   > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

>   > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

>   > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

>   on  the

>   > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can 

>   purify a

>   > > man who is not free of doubts.

>   > >     

>   > >    gbp_kumar@

>   > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>   > >    (AT) (DOT) .com

>   > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

>   28/5

>   > >      Dear Prafulla,

>   > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

>   wherever  he

>   > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in such 

>   light] did

>   > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

>   > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

>   > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

>   > >      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but

>   if u want an

>   > > answer on it

>   > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely

>   will give

>   > > that result who is Neecha too.

>   > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

>   > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

>   > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

>   STRENGTH  OF

>   > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA and 

>   other Balas

>   > > must  support it.

>   > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

>   defeats the

>   > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

>   > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended

>   respect

>   > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evvery 

>   memorablie

>   > > and made money for the freedom movement or any relief  programm

>   and many

>   > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy sign,

>   with

>   > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

>   > >      we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due

>   to

>   > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

>   > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

> >  >           I  was expecting this line of   argument from

>   you (!!). I know,

>   > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key things:

>   > >            a.  is the jupiter strong for its

>   relationship with moon?

>   > >              b.  if the (a) is true  - is jupiter 

>   poweful enough to render

>   > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership, aspects

>   and natural

>   > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not strong

>   enough -

>   > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you

>   justify

>   > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak

>   health of

>   > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for

>   husband  as

>   > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest  in

>   full - It

>   > > does not !!!.

>   > >              c.  yoga is   never  meant  to be

>   partial or overridden; it is

>   > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give

>   results,

>   > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for the 

>   native

>   > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,   it is

>   not strong.

>   > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support yoga

>   formation by

>   > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone through 3

>   > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if aspecting

>   5th house

>   > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha dasha).

>   Even with

>   > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled, all its

>   > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the overriding

>   factors -

>   > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

>   chart..and gaj

>   > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

>   classics..as I

>   > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari saying that

>   malefic /

>   > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

>   > >             I am  putting this example,  not to  prove

>   or score; so please

>   > > experiment the above rationale  from research  perspective. and

>   under any

>   > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological experience

>   sharing

>   > > into unnecessary  arguments.

>   > >            regards / Prafulla Gang

>   > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>   > >     

>   > >      gbp_kumar@

>   > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>   > >     

>   > >      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

>   yoga 28/5

>   > >      Prafulla,

>   > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and

>   fortune...

>   > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

>   > >        the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

>   issues with

>   > > lumanaries etc.

>   > >        and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

>   several other

>   > > factors why not here?

>   > >        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

>   lord  itself WAK

>   > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified  isn't it

>   that is  one

>   > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil? or an 

>   earthquake

>   > > prone  zone?

>   > >        same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u

>   want to buold

>   > > in such place.

>   > >      Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>  wrote:        Dear

>   Members

>   > >      I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

>   > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guru 

>   (whether  gaj

>   > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

>   > >        Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

>   issues

>   > >        Female

>   > >        July 9, 1972

>   > >        18.45 IST

>   > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

>   > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moon 

>   and 9th lord

>   > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury in 8th;

>   rahu  in

>   > > 2nd house

>   > >        Let us not build overriding theories; but validate 

>   the fact that

>   > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning dusthana

>   houses  or

>   > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga; feeble 

>   yoga will

>   > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all it  can -

>   then it can

>   > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of

>   dusthana lords.

>   > >        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

>   lots  of luck

>   > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around  natural 

>   significations

>   > > of  jupiter).

>   > >        Please note that - this is not chart reading 

>   request; but a

>   > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

>   > >        regards / Prafulla Gang

>   > >  Prashantkumar G B

>   > >    -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

>   group

>   > > but

>   > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

>   phone.

>   > >    Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

>   > >    09840051861

>   > > 

>   > >  New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

>   PC and

>   > > save big.

>   > > 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr kumar

 

I look forward to receive your notes on yogas.

 

Ref Ranjan ji, I do not think that he is an arrogant person. Perhaps, he is thinking out of box and is quite clear in his approach to astrology (like any other experienced astrologer). Please do not construe his example quoting in prejudiced manner. In my interaction with many spritual gurus (including many of them used to explain in symbols / stories / event narrations etc). Astrology is somewhat, beyond core planetary airthmetic and have essential requisite of explaining the karmic effects (and perhaps judgements) of any configuration. Predictive astrology (which you are advocating) is only a branch of astrology (though essential one). I had oppotunity to participate with him in earlier groups (jyotish-list on majordomo), and found him an astrologer guide with "crystal" clarity.

 

BTW, I did not find other members, feeling bad for his contents. Arguments, not agreeing etc are essential part of forum participation, and should not be construed as insult / confrontation etc. In my limited participation, I too have disagreed with many (and vice versa); but it has not affected the respect I carry for fellow members.

 

So let us avoid any personal confrontation. Afterall, it has reduced to a small community, and all members must put efforts for effective learning with active particpation.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

The only way to make friends is to become friend.

 

 

>

> gbp_kumar

> Tue, 30 May 2006 21:50:40 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: 31/5 comment on subject only.--what I wrote though

> <guffaw!!>

>

> RR,

>    i read as many views, posts as possible inspite of my sight

> constraints.

>    I look for knowledege from any source "with an open mind" no

> prejudices  inspite of the past spats we had, and sure future ones too.

>    I am glad that the past 2 months there are some useful content from

> you  end which had only personal attacks  digs on fellow astrolgoers as

> I saw from Jan-Apr 06 mid and didn't react even after there was the

> thread on a POLL THAT RR Was the most arrogant one in the group,

> rememebr I had not a single post on it. WHAT AN HONOR FOR ANYONE....!

>    later when 2 new commers may be took to line that igonore RR and

> later  u took Sreenadh to too much of distress felt with a few we do take

> you  on in the same way you do when the heat is on wth some crones. felt

> may  be there must be some effort from toehrs too and me Arjun pandit,

> etc  did add some muscle power to it

>    ACTUALLY YOU EXPOSED YOUR UGLY SIDE IN THE REPLY TO V KRISHAN'S post

> that time where you did reveal who you treated him on the thread of

> jealoisy and did a cosmetic apology on it. but  I am sure VATTEM  Krishna

> a giant around has suddenly been idle or in hiberation due to  your

> highness may be a sad loos to the group.

>    OUR OBJECTIVE WAS MET that you were less cricital of others did

> compliment quite a few later, occassional good material is comming of

> late.

>    but these gwafs do remind us of the old adage `habits die hard...''

>    we only hope u stick to astrology esp with so much of pretnetions u

> bring around wth ur croines to lean on. AS LONG AS ASTROLOGY IS THE

> SUBJECT IT IS WORTH OUR TIME but we are sad to read poetry, stories

> here.

>    As said in crystal pages uc an and surely will register there for

> these only,I appriciate literatue every bit

>     kowledge can be found anywhere even in gutters or high mountains.

>  crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote:        I am thrilled to note that

> you could not keep yourself from reading

>    what I wrote though <guffaw!!>

>    RR

>    , Prashant Kumar G B

>    <gbp_kumar> wrote:

>    >

>    > RR,

>    >   as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here, if we r

>     discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what ur

>    collectin of short stories, poems etc.

>    >   but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

>    >

>    >   IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s fresh

>    thnking, it is a poor connection.

>    >

>    >   AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do enough

>     research on my own and accept such findings by others like what ICAS,

>     KN RAO etc have done.

>    >

>    >   I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul Maurice etc

>    here  in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS weely

>    discussions  memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries

>    participate we do get  at worign seriously.

>    >

>    >   BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU CAN GIVE

>    A VUEW IT IS WELCOME

>    >

>    >   MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is weak -

>    I sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS.

>    >   THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give only

>    full results?

>    >   WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I will

>    like your research to throw as many as You can.

>    >

>    >   aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children is it

>    the  job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her

> Putrasthana

>    >   she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not her

>    5th lord in 8th with ketu

>    >

>    >   PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short stories,

>    poetry have NO USE

>    >

>    >   i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories if

>    you  have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate everyone

>    there.

>    >

>    >   I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu,

>    Malyalam literature too.

>    >

>    >

>    > crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:        Dear Prafulla,

>    >

>    >   There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

>    >   soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying

> it!

>    >

>    >   Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

>    >   stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and

> created

>    >   edifices of reality around that perception.

>    >

>    >   When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

>    >   feel we have no option and that must be the truth,

> unconditionally!

>    >

>    >   A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination

> that

>    >   still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

>    >

>    >   One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam,

> korea,

>    >   india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

>    >

>    >   The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected

> out

>    >   of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got

> shipped

>    >   back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

>    >   rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or

> those

>    >   times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of

> anything

>    >   more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

>    >   afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

>    >

>    >   Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child

> and

>    >   was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being

> one

>    >   of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

>    >

>    >   Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it?

> The

>    >   mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

>    >   perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she

> has

>    >   no clue.

>    >

>    >   The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

>    >   inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

>    >   society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is

> it!>

>    >

>    >   Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

>    >   illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

>    >   exploited too long to even recover en masse!

>    >

>    >   Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

>    >   they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation

> stand

>    >   upon?

>    >

>    >   RR

>    >

>    >

>    >

>    >    , Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>

>    >   wrote:

>    >   >

>    >   > Dear Mr Kumar

>    >   >

>    >   > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga

> heavily

>    >   (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

>    >   discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as

> defined

>    >   in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other,

> I

>    >   could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

>    >   ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

>    >   astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts

> and

>    >   worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications

> for

>    >   events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a

> way -

>    >    linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

>    >   classics.

>    >   >

>    >   > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of

> overriding

>    >   principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads

> to

>    >   inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for

> future

>    >   events).

>    >   >

>    >   > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I

> am

>    >   not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look

> forward

>    >   to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

>    >   >

>    >   > regards / Prafulla Gang

>    >   >

>    >   > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

> on

>    >   the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

>    >   purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>    >   >

>    >   >

>    >   > >

>    >   > > gbp_kumar@

>    >   > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>    >   > >

>    >   > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

> 29/5

>    >   > >

>    >   > > Dear Prafulla,

>    >   > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in

> CAPS.

>    >   as fonts

>    >   > > or colors r not supported in JR

>    >   > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â   Dear Mr Kumar

>    >   > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

>    >   which  are

>    >   > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classicsÂ

>    >   reference)?

>    >   > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? CanÂ

> yoga be

>    >   > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas

> forÂ

>    >   results,

>    >   > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

>    >   > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

>    >   > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house,

> Kendra,

>    >   Moola

>    >   > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on

> its

>    >   own

>    >   > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

>    >   > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

>    >   > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

>    >   results  will be

>    >   > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÂ

>    >   combinations

>    >   > > yoga cease to exist.

>    >   > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

>    >   > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED

> by

>    >   so many

>    >   > > factors yogas.

>    >   > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN

> SAID

>    >   > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha,

> Phala

>    >   > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is

> also

>    >   there.

>    >   > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is

> important

>    >   without

>    >   > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

>    >   RESULTS.

>    >   > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define

> any

>    >   > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will

> love

>    >   to  see

>    >   > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

>    >   (Yes,  I am

>    >   > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing

> with

>    >   > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then

> can

>    >   not  this

>    >   > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

>    >   supposed  to

>    >   > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

>    >   > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

>    >   itself, and

>    >   > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am

> exploring

>    >   too;

>    >   > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

>    >   > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

>    >   AUTHORITY BUT

>    >   > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members ofÂ

> ICAS,

>    >   my guiding

>    >   > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

>    >   > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

>    >   discussing  its

>    >   > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

>    >   > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on

> it

>    >   so many

>    >   > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a

> malefic

>    >   etc

>    >   > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A

> BEIFIC

>    >   COMPARED

>    >   > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas

> where

>    >   NONE OF

>    >   > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

>    >   > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

>    >   gives slowly

>    >   > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

>    >   > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world

> sees

>    >   how

>    >   > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too

> after

>    >   > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond

> sense

>    >   > > through CINEA, TV came in.

>    >   > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

>    >   hnonor, may

>    >   > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect

> but

>    >   at times

>    >   > > no  wealth to flaunt.

>    >   > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it

> is a

>    >   > > malefic.

>    >   > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post, will

> scan

>    >   a page  of

>    >   > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

>    >   > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

>    >   > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting,

> sleeping

>    >   on  the

>    >   > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels canÂ

>    >   purify a

>    >   > > man who is not free of doubts.

>    >   > >  Â Â  

>    >   > >    gbp_kumar@

>    >   > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>    >   > >   

>    >   > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

>    >   28/5

>    >   > >  Â Â   Dear Prafulla,

>    >   > >  Â Â   I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

>    >   wherever  he

>    >   > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in suchÂ

>    >   light] did

>    >   > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

>    >   > >  Â Â   NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR

> NOT

>    >   > >  Â Â   AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

>    >   > >  Â Â   the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga

> but

>    >   if u want an

>    >   > > answer on it

>    >   > >  Â Â   3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu.

> surely

>    >   will give

>    >   > > that result who is Neecha too.

>    >   > >  Â Â   health sani+Sukra does affect health.

>    >   > >  Â Â   I can write seperately on this if u want

>    >   > >  Â Â   BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

>    >   STRENGTH  OF

>    >   > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA andÂ

>    >   other Balas

>    >   > > must  support it.

>    >   > >  Â Â   Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

>    >   defeats the

>    >   > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

>    >   > >  Â Â   Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga

> commended

>    >   respect

>    >   > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evveryÂ

>    >   memorablie

>    >   > > and made money for the freedom movement or any reliefÂ

> programm

>    >   and many

>    >   > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy

> sign,

>    >   with

>    >   > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

>    >   > >  Â Â   we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion

> due

>    >   to

>    >   > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

>    >   > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â   Dear Mr

> Kumar

>    > >  >           I  was expecting this line of   argument

> from

>    >   you (!!). I know,

>    >   > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key things:

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â   a.  is the jupiter strong for its

>    >   relationship with moon?

>    >   > >   Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â    b.  if the (a) is true  - is jupiterÂ

>    >   poweful enough to render

>    >   > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership,

> aspects

>    >   and natural

>    >   > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not

> strong

>    >   enough -

>    >   > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do

> you

>    >   justify

>    >   > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak

>    >   health of

>    >   > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for

>    >   husband  as

>    >   > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifestÂ

> in

>    >   full - It

>    >   > > does not !!!.

>    >   > >              c.  yoga is   never  meant  to be

>    >   partial or overridden; it is

>    >   > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give

>    >   results,

>    >   > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for

> theÂ

>    >   native

>    >   > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,   it

> is

>    >   not strong.

>    >   > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support yoga

>    >   formation by

>    >   > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone

> through 3

>    >   > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if

> aspecting

>    >   5th house

>    >   > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha

> dasha).

>    >   Even with

>    >   > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled, all

> its

>    >   > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the overriding

>    >   factors -

>    >   > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

>    >   chart..and gaj

>    >   > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

>    >   classics..as I

>    >   > > repeat -Â Â   please quote a support from parashari saying

> that

>    >   malefic /

>    >   > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

>    >   > >   Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â   I am  putting this example,  not toÂ

> prove

>    >   or score; so please

>    >   > > experiment the above rationale  from research  perspective.

> and

>    >   under any

>    >   > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological

> experience

>    >   sharing

>    >   > > into unnecessary  arguments.

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â   regards / Prafulla Gang

>    >   > >  Â Â   Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>    >   > >  Â Â  

>    >   > >  Â Â   gbp_kumar@

>    >   > >  Â Â   Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>    >   > >  Â Â  

>    >   > >  Â Â   Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

>    >   yoga 28/5

>    >   > >  Â Â   Prafulla,

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck

> and

>    >   fortune...

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

>    >   issues with

>    >   > > lumanaries etc.

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

>    >   several other

>    >   > > factors why not here?

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

>    >   lord  itself WAK

>    >   > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified  isn't it

>    >   that is  one

>    >   > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil? or

> anÂ

>    >   earthquake

>    >   > > prone  zone?

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   same here u can do it and add other safeguards if

> u

>    >   want to buold

>    >   > > in such place.

>    >   > >  Â Â   Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>  wrote:Â Â Â Â Â Â   Dear

>    >   Members

>    >   > >  Â Â   I will be posting few charts and let us investigate

> the

>    >   > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÂ

>    >   (whether  gaj

>    >   > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

>    >   issues

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   Female

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   July 9, 1972

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   18.45 IST

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord

> moonÂ

>    >   and 9th lord

>    >   > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury in

> 8th;

>    >   rahu  in

>    >   > > 2nd house

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   Let us not build overriding theories; but

> validateÂ

>    >   the fact that

>    >   > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning dusthana

>    >   houses  or

>    >   > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga;

> feebleÂ

>    >   yoga will

>    >   > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all it  can

> -

>    >   then it can

>    >   > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of

>    >   dusthana lords.

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

>    >   lots  of luck

>    >   > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around  naturalÂ

>    >   significations

>    >   > > of  jupiter).

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   Please note that - this is not chart readingÂ

>    >   request; but a

>    >   > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

>    >   > >  Â Â Â Â   regards / Prafulla Gang

>    >   > >  Prashantkumar G B

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>    >   > > but

>    >   > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

>    >   phone.

>    >   > >    Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

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