case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 30/5 comment on subject only.

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Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:

  Dear Mr Kumar

 

Let me clarify you (- I wanted to stress on few things):

 

a.In my view - gaj kesari will not work - if moon or jupiter defies the definition of being benefic for any specific lagna (parashar has listed planets benefic / malefic for each lagna) - as if one of them is negative, then the mutual combination leads to affliction by one another. It is not only the weak jupiter, I was arguing about (weak jupiter was with reference to the fact, that if afflicted, does it lose its strength - to prove the point mentioned here or such association render jupiter strong as protrayed by GK yoga) - You too vindicated the fact that, jupiter is rendered weak in the example quoted.

 

b. Your argument of partial yoga or weak yoga (if both planets are benefic, but weak) - is an issue, where I am open to explore further - if such an association resulting into weak yoga works or not.

 

In summary - it is not the natural status of planet (krur / somya), which are critical for yoga; but its functional one (shubha or ashubha). However, if the both (or more) planets are shubha in nature, then yoga's strength needs to be considered (I am open to explore this argument). However, at no stage the yoga can defy the fundamental of ( plus add minus = minus; minus add minus = plus; plus add plus = plus; minus add plus = minus). Extending the same principle - any association of two or more planets need to be determined. Saturn / mars are krur planets; but any yoga with mutual association of these planets - can be positive, provided both are shubha for a chart. You see the fundamental of VRY - dusthana lord into another dusthana; or forming association with another dusthana lord ends up positive - as it complies with rational of any planetary association.

 

Any yoga, which defies the fundamental of chart reading, should not be applied blindly; as on the one hand, we agree to the afflicted jupiter; and at the same time accepting it as candidate for yoga results (much more positive). Recently, on another forum too, Shri Sanjay Rath also supported the fact that unmaada yoga (for 1/7 relationship of two planets) will cease to exist, if a shubha graha like guru is engaged.

 

Ranjan ji's mail was absolutely astrological in nature. His explanation on the evasiveness of conclusion ('proof'), was well presented through a story - which says about the karmic nature of events. Since he did not write about any planet in question there, should not be interpreted as non astrological. Moreover, your mind always have choice of rejection to any line of thought. I make you a sincere request to avoid any personal comments.

 

I certainly, do not intend to question your expertise on the yoga. On the contrary, I look forward to receive your notes on yoga (which you promised to post) and learn from the forum.

 

regards / Prafulla Gang

 

Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify a man who is not free of doubts.

 

 

>

> gbp_kumar

> Tue, 30 May 2006 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT)

>

> Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 30/5 comment

> on subject only.

>

> RR,

>   as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here, if we r

> discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what ur

> collectin of short stories, poems etc.

>   but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

>   IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s fresh

> thnking, it is a poor connection.

>   AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do enough

> research on my own and accept such findings by others like what ICAS,  KN

> RAO etc have done.

>   I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul Maurice etc

> here  in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS weely

> discussions  memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries

> participate we do get  at worign seriously.

>   BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU CAN GIVE A

> VUEW IT IS WELCOME

>   MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is weak - I

> sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS.

>   THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give only full

> results?

>   WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I will like

> your research to throw as many as You can.

>   aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children is it the

> job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her Putrasthana

>   she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not her 5th

> lord in 8th with ketu

>   PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short stories, poetry

> have NO USE

>   i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories if you

> have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate everyone there..

>   I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu, Malyalam

> literature too.

> crystal pages wrote:        Dear Prafulla,

>   There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

>   soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying it!

>   Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

>   stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and created

>   edifices of reality around that perception.

>   When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

>   feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

>   A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination that

>   still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

>   One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam, korea,

>   india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

>   The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected out

>   of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got shipped

>   back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

>   rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or those

>   times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of anything

>   more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

>   afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

>   Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child and

>   was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being one

>   of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

>   Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it? The

>   mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

>   perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she has

>   no clue.

>   The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

>   inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

>   society that remembers him once a year but pretty much

>   Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

>   illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

>   exploited too long to even recover en masse!

>   Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

>   they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation stand

>   upon?

>   RR

>    , Prafulla Gang

>   wrote:

>   >

>   > Dear Mr Kumar

>   >

>   > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily

>   (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

>   discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined

>   in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I

>   could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

>   ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

>   astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and

>   worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for

>   events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way -

>    linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

>   classics.

>   >

>   > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding

>   principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to

>   inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future

>   events).

>   >

>   > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am

>   not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward

>   to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

>   >

>   > regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >

>   > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

>   the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

>   purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>   >

>   >

>   > >

>   > > gbp_kumar

>   > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>   > >

>   > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

>   > >

>   > > Dear Prafulla,

>   > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS.

>   as fonts

>   > > or colors r not supported in JR

>   > >  Prafulla Gang wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>   > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

>   which  are

>   > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classicsÂ

>   reference)?

>   > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can  yoga be

>   > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas forÂ

>   results,

>   > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

>   > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

>   > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra,

>   Moola

>   > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its

>   own

>   > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

>   > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

>   > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

>   results  will be

>   > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÂ

>   combinations

>   > > yoga cease to exist.

>   > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

>   > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by

>   so many

>   > > factors yogas.

>   > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

>   > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

>   > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also

>   there.

>   > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important

>   without

>   > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

>   RESULTS.

>   > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

>   > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love

>   to  see

>   > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

>   (Yes,  I am

>   > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

>   > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can

>   not  this

>   > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

>   supposed  to

>   > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

>   > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

>   itself, and

>   > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring

>   too;

>   > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

>   > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

>   AUTHORITY BUT

>   > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of  ICAS,

>   my guiding

>   > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

>   > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

>   discussing  its

>   > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

>   > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it

>   so many

>   > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic

>   etc

>   > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC

>   COMPARED

>   > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where

>   NONE OF

>   > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

>   > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

>   gives slowly

>   > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

>   > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees

>   how

>   > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

>   > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

>   > > through CINEA, TV came in.

>   > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

>   hnonor, may

>   > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but

>   at times

>   > > no  wealth to flaunt.

>   > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

>   > > malefic.

>   > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post, will scan

>   a page  of

>   > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

>   > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

>   > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

>   on  the

>   > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels canÂ

>   purify a

>   > > man who is not free of doubts.

>   > >     

>   > >    gbp_kumar

>   > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>   > >    (AT) (DOT) .com

>   > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

>   28/5

>   > >      Dear Prafulla,

>   > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

>   wherever  he

>   > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in suchÂ

>   light] did

>   > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

>   > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

>   > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

>   > >      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but

>   if u want an

>   > > answer on it

>   > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely

>   will give

>   > > that result who is Neecha too.

>   > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

>   > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

>   > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

>   STRENGTH  OF

>   > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA andÂ

>   other Balas

>   > > must  support it.

>   > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

>   defeats the

>   > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

>   > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended

>   respect

>   > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evveryÂ

>   memorablie

>   > > and made money for the freedom movement or any relief  programm

>   and many

>   > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy sign,

>   with

>   > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

>   > >      we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due

>   to

>   > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

>   > >    Prafulla Gang wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

> >  >           I  was expecting this line of   argument from

>   you (!!). I know,

>   > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key things:

>   > >            a.  is the jupiter strong for its

>   relationship with moon?

>   > >              b.  if the (a) is true  - is jupiterÂ

>   poweful enough to render

>   > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership, aspects

>   and natural

>   > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not strong

>   enough -

>   > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you

>   justify

>   > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak

>   health of

>   > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for

>   husband  as

>   > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest  in

>   full - It

>   > > does not !!!.

>   > >              c.  yoga is   never  meant  to be

>   partial or overridden; it is

>   > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give

>   results,

>   > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for theÂ

>   native

>   > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,   it is

>   not strong.

>   > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support yoga

>   formation by

>   > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone through 3

>   > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if aspecting

>   5th house

>   > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha dasha).

>   Even with

>   > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled, all its

>   > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the overriding

>   factors -

>   > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

>   chart..and gaj

>   > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

>   classics..as I

>   > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari saying that

>   malefic /

>   > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

>   > >             I am  putting this example,  not to  prove

>   or score; so please

>   > > experiment the above rationale  from research  perspective. and

>   under any

>   > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological experience

>   sharing

>   > > into unnecessary  arguments.

>   > >            regards / Prafulla Gang

>   > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>   > >     

>   > >      gbp_kumar

>   > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>   > >     

>   > >      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

>   yoga 28/5

>   > >      Prafulla,

>   > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and

>   fortune...

>   > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

>   > >        the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

>   issues with

>   > > lumanaries etc.

>   > >        and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

>   several other

>   > > factors why not here?

>   > >        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

>   lord  itself WAK

>   > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified  isn't it

>   that is  one

>   > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil? or anÂ

>   earthquake

>   > > prone  zone?

>   > >        same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u

>   want to buold

>   > > in such place.

>   > >      Prafulla Gang   wrote:        Dear

>   Members

>   > >      I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

>   > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÂ

>   (whether  gaj

>   > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

>   > >        Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

>   issues

>   > >        Female

>   > >        July 9, 1972

>   > >        18.45 IST

>   > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

>   > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moonÂ

>   and 9th lord

>   > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury in 8th;

>   rahu  in

>   > > 2nd house

>   > >        Let us not build overriding theories; but validateÂ

>   the fact that

>   > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning dusthana

>   houses  or

>   > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga; feebleÂ

>   yoga will

 

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Prafulla,

 

  here in the last mail it was on RR non astro contribution to it. i hope  u will also ask him to write on it. not only this any topic and he does  this and his fasn gladly respond to it in a chain on an astro thread, i  have no objection if it is poetry, literature I will enjoy it sure, but  on astro I prefer astro more and some masala of couse `once in a while'  to lighten it..

 

 

 

Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

 

  Let me clarify you (- I wanted to stress on few things):

 

a.In my view - gaj kesari will not work - if moon or jupiter defies  the definition of being benefic for any specific lagna (parashar has  listed planets benefic / malefic for each lagna) - as if one of them is  negative, then the mutual combination leads to affliction by one  another. It is not only the weak jupiter, I was arguing about (weak  jupiter was with reference to the fact, that if afflicted, does it lose  its strength - to prove the point mentioned here or such association  render jupiter strong as protrayed by GK yoga) - You too vindicated the  fact that, jupiter is rendered weak in the example quoted.

 

  b. Your argument of partial yoga or weak yoga (if both planets are  benefic, but weak) - is an issue, where I am open to explore further -  if such an association resulting into weak yoga works or not.

 

  In summary - it is not the natural status of planet (krur / somya),  which are critical for yoga; but its functional one (shubha or  ashubha). However, if the both (or more) planets are shubha in nature,  then yoga's strength needs to be considered (I am open to explore this  argument). However, at no stage the yoga can defy the fundamental of (  plus add minus = minus; minus add minus = plus; plus add plus = plus;  minus add plus = minus).   Extending the same principle - any  association of two or more planets need to be determined. Saturn / mars  are krur planets; but any yoga with mutual association of these planets  - can be positive, provided both are shubha for a chart. You see the  fundamental of VRY - dusthana lord into another dusthana; or forming  association with another dusthana lord ends up positive - as it  complies with rational of any planetary association.

 

  Any yoga, which defies the fundamental of chart reading, should not be  applied blindly; as on the one hand, we agree to the afflicted jupiter;  and at the same time accepting it as candidate for yoga results (much  more positive). Recently, on another forum too, Shri Sanjay Rath also  supported the fact that unmaada yoga (for 1/7 relationship of two  planets) will cease to exist, if a shubha graha like guru is engaged.

 

  Ranjan ji's mail was absolutely astrological in nature. His explanation  on the evasiveness of conclusion ('proof'), was well presented through  a story - which says about the karmic nature of events. Since he did  not write about any planet in question there, should not be interpreted  as non astrological. Moreover, your mind always have choice of  rejection to any line of thought. I make you a sincere request to avoid  any personal comments.

 

  I certainly, do not intend to question your expertise on the yoga. On  the contrary, I look forward to receive your notes on yoga (which you  promised to post) and learn from the forum.

 

  regards / Prafulla Gang

 

  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on the  ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can purify  a man who is not free of doubts.

 

 

  >

  > gbp_kumar

  > Tue, 30 May 2006 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT)

  >

  > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 30/5 comment

  > on subject only.

  >

  > RR,

  >    as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here, if we r

  > discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what ur

  > collectin of short stories, poems etc.

  >    but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

  >    IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s fresh

  > thnking, it is a poor connection.

  >    AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do enough

  > research on my own and accept such findings by others like what ICAS,  KN

  > RAO etc have done.

  >    I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul Maurice etc

  > here  in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS weely

  > discussions  memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries

  > participate we do get  at worign seriously.

  >    BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU CAN GIVE A

  > VUEW IT IS WELCOME

  >    MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is weak - I

  > sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS.

  >    THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give only full

  > results?

  >    WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I will like

  > your research to throw as many as You can.

  >    aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children is it the

  > job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her Putrasthana

  >    she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not her 5th

  > lord in 8th with ketu

  >    PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short stories, poetry

  > have NO USE

  >    i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories if you

  > have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate everyone there.

  >    I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu, Malyalam

  > literature too.

  >  crystal pages <rrgb (AT) sprint (DOT) ca> wrote:        Dear Prafulla,

  >    There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human carnate

  >    soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon justifying it!

  >    Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like Freud

  >    stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined and created

  >    edifices of reality around that perception.

  >    When something has already happened or occurred, taken place -- we

  >    feel we have no option and that must be the truth, unconditionally!

  >    A story told to me when I was young in astrology and divination that

  >    still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

  >    One of those wars fought between the west and east -- vietnam, korea,

  >    india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

  >    The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is expected out

  >    of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got shipped

  >    back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

  >    rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her or those

  >    times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of anything

  >    more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that was

  >    afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

  >    Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his child and

  >    was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for being one

  >    of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

  >    Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of it? The

  >    mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

  >    perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there but she has

  >    no clue.

  >    The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state and

  >    inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this modern

  >    society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that is it!>

  >    Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she is the

  >    illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

  >    exploited too long to even recover en masse!

  >    Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born again, as

  >    they better or where will astrology and its karmic foundation stand

  >    upon?

  >    RR

  >     , Prafulla Gang <jyotish>

  >    wrote:

  >    >

  >    > Dear Mr Kumar

  >    >

  >    > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga heavily

  >    (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I started

  >    discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role as defined

  >    in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or other, I

  >    could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

  >    ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the keeping

  >    astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine efforts and

  >    worked around the tools, which can definitely render indications for

  >    events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but in a way -

  >     linking that to current yuga read with the rationale provided by

  >    classics.

  >    >

  >    > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of overriding

  >    principles are always complicated for the fact that - this leads to

  >    inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for future

  >    events).

  >    >

  >    > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on yoga. I am

  >    not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look forward

  >    to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

  >    >

  >    > regards / Prafulla Gang

  >    >

  >    > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

  >    the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

  >    purify a man who is not free of doubts.

  >    >

  >    >

  >    > >

  >    > > gbp_kumar

  >    > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

  >    > >

  >    > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 29/5

  >    > >

  >    > > Dear Prafulla,

  >    > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines in CAPS.

  >    as fonts

  >    > > or colors r not supported in JR

  >    > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

  >    > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the planets

  >    which  are

  >    > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or classicsÂ

  >    reference)?

  >    > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions? Can  yoga be

  >    > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many yogas forÂ

  >    results,

  >    > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

  >    > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

  >    > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house, Kendra,

  >    Moola

  >    > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her wealth on its

  >    own

  >    > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

  >    > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

  >    > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

  >    results  will be

  >    > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under suchÂ

  >    combinations

  >    > > yoga cease to exist.

  >    > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

  >    > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS ASSESSED by

  >    so many

  >    > > factors yogas.

  >    > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS THAN SAID

  >    > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

  >    > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari it is also

  >    there.

  >    > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is important

  >    without

  >    > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or Dasa

  >    RESULTS.

  >    > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not define any

  >    > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I will love

  >    to  see

  >    > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical issue

  >    (Yes,  I am

  >    > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so existing with

  >    > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted), then can

  >    not  this

  >    > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

  >    supposed  to

  >    > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of guru.

  >    > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of yoga

  >    itself, and

  >    > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am exploring

  >    too;

  >    > > and looking for consistent application of any configuration.

  >    > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

  >    AUTHORITY BUT

  >    > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members of  ICAS,

  >    my guiding

  >    > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation astrologer.

  >    > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

  >    discussing  its

  >    > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current yuga.

  >    > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read threads on it

  >    so many

  >    > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru a malefic

  >    etc

  >    > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS A BEIFIC

  >    COMPARED

  >    > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past Yogas where

  >    NONE OF

  >    > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

  >    > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail Guru

  >    gives slowly

  >    > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the way , but

  >    > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the world sees

  >    how

  >    > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that too after

  >    > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness beyond sense

  >    > > through CINEA, TV came in.

  >    > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn with

  >    hnonor, may

  >    > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands respect but

  >    at times

  >    > > no  wealth to flaunt.

  >    > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos one it is a

  >    > > malefic.

  >    > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post, will scan

  >    a page  of

  >    > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read yogas.

  >    > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

  >    > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping

  >    on  the

  >    > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels canÂ

  >    purify a

  >    > > man who is not free of doubts.

  >    > >     

  >    > >    gbp_kumar

  >    > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

  >    > >   

  >    > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga

  >    28/5

  >    > >      Dear Prafulla,

  >    > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a maleic

  >    wherever  he

  >    > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in suchÂ

  >    light] did

  >    > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

  >    > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA OPERATE OR NOT

  >    > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money, etc

  >    > >      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari Yoga but

  >    if u want an

  >    > > answer on it

  >    > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic ketu. surely

  >    will give

  >    > > that result who is Neecha too.

  >    > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

  >    > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

  >    > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE PROPORTIONAL TO

  >    STRENGTH  OF

  >    > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA andÂ

  >    other Balas

  >    > > must  support it.

  >    > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male isuses

  >    defeats the

  >    > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not eliminated.

  >    > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga commended

  >    respect

  >    > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod evveryÂ

  >    memorablie

  >    > > and made money for the freedom movement or any relief  programm

  >    and many

  >    > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a enemy sign,

  >    with

  >    > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha.

  >    > >      we can show that there be come qualitative reductuion due

  >    to

  >    > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

  >    > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

  >  >  >           I  was expecting this line of   argument from

  >    you (!!). I know,

  >    > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key things:

  >    > >            a.  is the jupiter strong for its

  >    relationship with moon?

  >    > >              b.  if the (a) is true  - is jupiterÂ

  >    poweful enough to render

  >    > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership, aspects

  >    and natural

  >    > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not strong

  >    enough -

  >    > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon. How do you

  >    justify

  >    > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny, weak

  >    health of

  >    > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka for

  >    husband  as

  >    > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it manifest  in

  >    full - It

  >    > > does not !!!.

  >    > >              c.  yoga is   never  meant  to be

  >    partial or overridden; it is

  >    > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga to give

  >    results,

  >    > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined for theÂ

  >    native

  >    > > and must  be strong as well.. If jupiter is afflicted,   it is

  >    not strong.

  >    > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support yoga

  >    formation by

  >    > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone through 3

  >    > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if aspecting

  >    5th house

  >    > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha dasha).

  >    Even with

  >    > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled, all its

  >    > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the overriding

  >    factors -

  >    > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

  >    chart..and gaj

  >    > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

  >    classics..as I

  >    > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari saying that

  >    malefic /

  >    > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

  >    > >             I am  putting this example,  not to  prove

  >    or score; so please

  >    > > experiment the above rationale  from research  perspective. and

  >    under any

  >    > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological experience

  >    sharing

  >    > > into unnecessary  arguments..

  >    > >            regards / Prafulla Gang

  >    > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

  >    > >     

  >    > >      gbp_kumar

  >    > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

  >    > >     

  >    > >      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

  >    yoga 28/5

  >    > >      Prafulla,

  >    > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of luck and

  >    fortune...

  >    > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

  >    > >        the other issues not par of it, NO male issue or

  >    issues with

  >    > > lumanaries etc.

  >    > >        and as u said in earlier posts that there will be

  >    several other

  >    > > factors why not here?

  >    > >        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if lagna

  >    lord  itself WAK

  >    > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified  isn't it

  >    that is  one

  >    > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil? or anÂ

  >    earthquake

  >    > > prone  zone?

  >    > >        same here u can do it and add other safeguards if u

  >    want to buold

  >    > > in such place.

  >    > >      Prafulla Gang <jyotish>  wrote:        Dear

  >    Members

  >    > >      I will be posting few charts and let us investigate the

  >    > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal guruÂ

  >    (whether  gaj

  >    > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

  >    > >        Case of denial of male progeny and constant health

  >    issues

  >    > >        Female

  >    > >        July 9, 1972

  >    > >        18.45 IST

  >    > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

  >    > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th lord moonÂ

  >    and 9th lord

  >    > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury in 8th;

  >    rahu  in

  >    > > 2nd house

  >    > >        Let us not build overriding theories; but validateÂ

  >    the fact that

  >    > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning dusthana

  >    houses  or

  >    > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga; feebleÂ

  >    yoga will

  >    > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all it  can -

  >    then it can

  >    > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of

  >    dusthana lords.

  >    > >        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back - has

  >    lots  of luck

  >    > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around  naturalÂ

  >    significations

  >    > > of  jupiter).

  >    > >        Please note that - this is not chart readingÂ

  >    request; but a

  >    > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

  >    > >        regards / Prafulla Gang

  >    > >  Prashantkumar G B

  >    > >    -*- The services of this astrologer are free on

  >    group

  >    > > but

  >    > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat, mail or

  >    phone.

  >    > >    Please  fix times for this in advance -*-

  >    > >    09840051861

  >    > > 

  >    > >  New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your

  >    PC and

  >    > > save big.

  >    > > 

[Guest guest]

Kumar ji,

 

If I may -- a yoga on which none less illustrious than Sri KN Rao ji

has written so beautifully in his Enigmas in Astrology book, what

more needs to be written by this little ant whose astrological

capability you have already dismissed summarily :-)

 

As far as masala is concerned, for me astrology itself is the masala

and too much of garam masala does funny things to the body, as I am

sure you must have heard and even experienced personally perhaps!

 

Seriously, though, so much has already been written on astrological

topics, starting from classics to modern writings, and I have a

minute contribution that some like, others do not like and a few

dislike even without reading it ;-)

 

RR

 

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar> wrote:

>

> Prafulla,

>  

>   here in the last mail it was on RR non astro contribution to it.

i hope  u will also ask him to write on it. not only this any topic

and he does  this and his fasn gladly respond to it in a chain on an

astro thread, i  have no objection if it is poetry, literature I will

enjoy it sure, but  on astro I prefer astro more and some masala of

couse `once in a while'  to lighten it..

>  

>  

>

> Prafulla Gang <jyotish> wrote:        Dear Mr Kumar

>  

>   Let me clarify you (- I wanted to stress on few things):

>  

> a.In my view - gaj kesari will not work - if moon or jupiter

defies  the definition of being benefic for any specific lagna

(parashar has  listed planets benefic / malefic for each lagna) - as

if one of them is  negative, then the mutual combination leads to

affliction by one  another. It is not only the weak jupiter, I was

arguing about (weak  jupiter was with reference to the fact, that if

afflicted, does it lose  its strength - to prove the point mentioned

here or such association  render jupiter strong as protrayed by GK

yoga) - You too vindicated the  fact that, jupiter is rendered weak

in the example quoted.

>  

>   b. Your argument of partial yoga or weak yoga (if both planets

are  benefic, but weak) - is an issue, where I am open to explore

further -  if such an association resulting into weak yoga works or

not.

>  

>   In summary - it is not the natural status of planet (krur /

somya),  which are critical for yoga; but its functional one (shubha

or  ashubha). However, if the both (or more) planets are shubha in

nature,  then yoga's strength needs to be considered (I am open to

explore this  argument). However, at no stage the yoga can defy the

fundamental of (  plus add minus = minus; minus add minus = plus;

plus add plus = plus;  minus add plus = minus).   Extending the same

principle - any  association of two or more planets need to be

determined. Saturn / mars  are krur planets; but any yoga with mutual

association of these planets  - can be positive, provided both are

shubha for a chart. You see the  fundamental of VRY - dusthana lord

into another dusthana; or forming  association with another dusthana

lord ends up positive - as it  complies with rational of any

planetary association.

>  

>   Any yoga, which defies the fundamental of chart reading, should

not be  applied blindly; as on the one hand, we agree to the

afflicted jupiter;  and at the same time accepting it as candidate

for yoga results (much  more positive). Recently, on another forum

too, Shri Sanjay Rath also  supported the fact that unmaada yoga (for

1/7 relationship of two  planets) will cease to exist, if a shubha

graha like guru is engaged.

>  

>   Ranjan ji's mail was absolutely astrological in nature. His

explanation  on the evasiveness of conclusion ('proof'), was well

presented through  a story - which says about the karmic nature of

events. Since he did  not write about any planet in question there,

should not be interpreted  as non astrological. Moreover, your mind

always have choice of  rejection to any line of thought. I make you a

sincere request to avoid  any personal comments.

>  

>   I certainly, do not intend to question your expertise on the

yoga. On  the contrary, I look forward to receive your notes on yoga

(which you  promised to post) and learn from the forum.

>  

>   regards / Prafulla Gang

>  

>   Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting, sleeping on

the  ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels can

purify  a man who is not free of doubts.

>  

>  

>   >

>   > gbp_kumar

>   > Tue, 30 May 2006 04:51:11 -0700 (PDT)

>   >

>   > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari yoga 30/5

comment

>   > on subject only.

>   >

>   > RR,

>   >    as usual there is more no-astro content that matters here,

if we r

>   > discussing a thread we can have some masala around it like what

ur

>   > collectin of short stories, poems etc.

>   >    but I hope it is mroe of astro or astro 1st

>   >    IF THIS IS AGAIN A DRIFT ON THE ESTABLISED PRINCIPLES V/s

fresh

>   > thnking, it is a poor connection.

>   >    AS I USE THE TRADITION RULES ONLY AS MARKER or buoys and do

enough

>   > research on my own and accept such findings by others like what

ICAS,  KN

>   > RAO etc have done.

>   >    I have quoted works of CEO CARTER, ROBERT HAUCK, Paul

Maurice etc

>   > here  in diferent occassions. Our group discussions in ICAS

weely

>   > discussions  memners of IEEE, IIT-MADRAS and several lumanries

>   > participate we do get  at worign seriously.

>   >    BUT PLEASE LOOL AT THE SITUATION HONESLTY HERE AND IF YOU

CAN GIVE A

>   > VUEW IT IS WELCOME

>   >    MR Prfulla talks of Gajakesari Yoga not working if Guru is

weak - I

>   > sid weak yogas give weak results not thant NO RESULTS..

>   >    THEN HE TALKS OF no partial results r Yogas supposed to give

only full

>   > results?

>   >    WILL WE FIND A CHART WITHOUT ANY AFFLICTION to any Yoga, I

will like

>   > your research to throw as many as You can.

>   >    aganin Prafulla talks of the lady having no malec children

is it the

>   > job og Gaja kesari Yoga to give ehr MALE issues or her

Putrasthana

>   >    she had abortions so is gajakesari Yoga ONLY responsible not

her 5th

>   > lord in 8th with ketu

>   >    PLEASE SHED LIGHT OR DirT ON IT NO ISSUE, but ur short

stories, poetry

>   > have NO USE

>   >    i am a Englsh litrture student, I love poetry, short stories

if you

>   > have a new forum for it will gladly join and appriciate

everyone there.

>   >    I also love Hindi, Telugu, Kannada, Tamil, Sanskrit, Urdu,

Malyalam

>   > literature too.

>   >  crystal pages <rrgb> wrote:        Dear Prafulla,

>   >    There is something about 'certainty' that makes the human

carnate

>   >    soul really get all excited and engaged and bent upon

justifying it!

>   >    Hence we generally dwell in the past and even Doyens like

Freud

>   >    stayed pinned into the past, partly true, mostly imagined

and created

>   >    edifices of reality around that perception.

>   >    When something has already happened or occurred, taken

place -- we

>   >    feel we have no option and that must be the truth,

unconditionally!

>   >    A story told to me when I was young in astrology and

divination that

>   >    still shakes me to the core, I wish to share with you today.

>   >    One of those wars fought between the west and east --

vietnam, korea,

>   >    india -- matters not at this emancipated time!

>   >    The soldier found love in this foreign land and what is

expected out

>   >    of a 21 year old man happened! He got injured badly and got

shipped

>   >    back home where he lived through the hell of one terrible

>   >    rehabilitation, day by day -- and when he could remember her

or those

>   >    times, pined for same! He was not really capable to think of

anything

>   >    more, given his physical condition and even his psyche that

was

>   >    afflicted if anyone knows how 20 some feel!

>   >    Meanwhile, his belle with eastern values and all, bore his

child and

>   >    was relegated to a life of being shunned and ridiculed for

being one

>   >    of those GI brides or whatever else they were called!

>   >    Surely it is all about karma! Who though, gets the brunt of

it? The

>   >    mother who knows it all and must bear the burden of all these

>   >    perceived rejections, some she knows are not really there

but she has

>   >    no clue.

>   >    The GI who pines for his love but given his physical state

and

>   >    inability to even sustain a living from day to day in this

modern

>   >    society that remembers him once a year but pretty much <that

is it!>

>   >    Or the *innocent* child? What should S/he feel? What if she

is the

>   >    illegitimate offspring in a puritanical rather rigid society,

>   >    exploited too long to even recover en masse!

>   >    Whose karma is going to be the worst when they are born

again, as

>   >    they better or where will astrology and its karmic

foundation stand

>   >    upon?

>   >    RR

>   >     , Prafulla Gang

<jyotish@>

>   >    wrote:

>   >    >

>   >    > Dear Mr Kumar

>   >    >

>   >    > When started learning astrology - I used to consider yoga

heavily

>   >    (as prescribed) and but with the academic progressions, I

started

>   >    discriminting them (on respective planet's functional role

as defined

>   >    in classics) in my astrological pursuance. In some form or

other, I

>   >    could not identify them to give clues for consistent results;

>   >    ofcourse, I never d them for events. Yet, the

keeping

>   >    astrology to simplistic form has always been my genuine

efforts and

>   >    worked around the tools, which can definitely render

indications for

>   >    events. May be the approach deviates from the classics, but

in a way -

>   >     linking that to current yuga read with the rationale

provided by

>   >    classics.

>   >    >

>   >    > Having said that - for an astrology student - concept of

overriding

>   >    principles are always complicated for the fact that - this

leads to

>   >    inconsistent interpretations (not for past results - but for

future

>   >    events).

>   >    >

>   >    > I am certainly looking forward to receive your notes on

yoga. I am

>   >    not closed in my mind set for the yogas, yet certainly look

forward

>   >    to fine tune the approach for consistent interpretation tool.

>   >    >

>   >    > regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >    >

>   >    > Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting,

sleeping on

>   >    the ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels

can

>   >    purify a man who is not free of doubts.

>   >    >

>   >    >

>   >    > >

>   >    > > gbp_kumar@

>   >    > > Sun, 28 May 2006 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT)

>   >    > >

>   >    > > Re: case study - guru / moon gaj kesari

yoga 29/5

>   >    > >

>   >    > > Dear Prafulla,

>   >    > >    I WIL TRY TO PLACE THE PINTS HERE BELOW your lines

in CAPS.

>   >    as fonts

>   >    > > or colors r not supported in JR

>   >    > >  Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:        Dear Mr

Kumar

>   >    > >  My contention is very simple - can yoga involve the

planets

>   >    which  are

>   >    > > negative for a native in general interpretation (or

classicsÂ

>   >    reference)?

>   >    > > Can yoga contradicts the fundamental of afflictions?

Can  yoga be

>   >    > > involving weak planets? Perhaps, we to many

yogas forÂ

>   >    results,

>   >    > > which might exist for some other fundamental reasons.

>   >    > >    SURE WEAK PLANETS GIVE WEAK YOGAS no denial

>   >    > >    ABOVE ALL GURU inthis womens chart is in own house,

Kendra,

>   >    Moola

>   >    > > Trikona, Hamsa Yoga etc at least tis will give her

wealth on its

>   >    own

>   >    > > even if Moons weak aspect reduces it a bit

>   >    > >    a la Gajakesari Yoga.

>   >    > >  If with the aspect / affliction - guru is weak then its

>   >    results  will be

>   >    > > affected proportionately. In my understanding, under

suchÂ

>   >    combinations

>   >    > > yoga cease to exist.

>   >    > >    WEAK DASA, YOGAS  GIVE weak results.

>   >    > >    YOU CAN DRAW SOME CLUES FROM THE WAY LONGEVITY IS

ASSESSED by

>   >    so many

>   >    > > factors yogas.

>   >    > >    QUITE OFT EN  OUR RISHIS HAVE SAID IM IMPLIED WORS

THAN SAID

>   >    > > DIRECTLYI am sure if you have gone through

Uttarakalumrutha, Phala

>   >    > > deepika, Jatakaparijata all derivations from Parashari

it is also

>   >    there.

>   >    > >    and the guidng axim that Desha, Kala parastithi is

important

>   >    without

>   >    > > loosing the spirit of it we need to adapt the Yoga or

Dasa

>   >    RESULTS.

>   >    > >    Yoga works throughout the life; Parashari does not

define any

>   >    > > proportionate yoga results (commentators might have). I

will love

>   >    to  see

>   >    > > such quote and correct myself, if any. Another logical

issue

>   >    (Yes,  I am

>   >    > > aware of 5th lord mars with ketu in 8th), if yoga so

existing with

>   >    > > strong guru (assuming in your theory - not afflicted),

then can

>   >    not  this

>   >    > > override any such negative resultants. Afterall, Yoga is

>   >    supposed  to

>   >    > > give uninterrupted results. Dasa in concern was also of

guru.

>   >    > >    I can only be suggestive in exploring the basis of

yoga

>   >    itself, and

>   >    > > validate the resultants. I might also be wrong, as I am

exploring

>   >    too;

>   >    > > and looking for consistent application of any

configuration.

>   >    > >    I AM SURE I AM SETIGN YOU ON THE RIGHT TRACK I AM NO

>   >    AUTHORITY BUT

>   >    > > HAVE  BEEN TOLD, BY MY GURUS 2 were founder members

of  ICAS,

>   >    my guiding

>   >    > > Guru today +(from past 21 yrs) is a 4 generation

astrologer.

>   >    > >  BTW, no one is guru basher. How can one be; we are only

>   >    discussing  its

>   >    > > relevance in judging few of its karakatve in current

yuga.

>   >    > >    THERE R MANY GURU BASHERS in this group Pl read

threads on it

>   >    so many

>   >    > > u  can find during march-May this yr Guru in 5th, Guru

a malefic

>   >    etc

>   >    > >    THAT WHEREVER GURU IS OR ASPECTS IS RUINED, SATN IS

A BEIFIC

>   >    COMPARED

>   >    > > TO GURU etc some wild assesments even coverign past

Yogas where

>   >    NONE OF

>   >    > > US HAVE ANY BASIS TO ENTER OR INTERPRET.

>   >    > >    I replied to them sayigng what i sumed in last mail

Guru

>   >    gives slowly

>   >    > > with  honor, rightfully morally but tests u all the

way , but

>   >    > > materialistic Sukra, Rahi give u faster and by wha the

world sees

>   >    how

>   >    > > rich u r not how u made it then Guru is a malefic., that

too after

>   >    > > Capitailism, consumerism, liberalism, prermisiveness

beyond sense

>   >    > > through CINEA, TV came in..

>   >    > >    for a value based socity Guru is a benific- u earn

with

>   >    hnonor, may

>   >    > > be  poor but academically rich, well know, comands

respect but

>   >    at times

>   >    > > no  wealth to flaunt.

>   >    > >    for a valueless, ethicsless, immoral, unscroupulos

one it is a

>   >    > > malefic.

>   >    > >    I WILL EXPLAIN A NEW DIMENSION TO YOGAS IN  post,

will scan

>   >    a page  of

>   >    > > NN KRISHA Raos works and show some useflw ays to read

yogas.

>   >    > >    regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >    > >  Neither naked asceticism, matted hair, dirt, fasting,

sleeping

>   >    on  the

>   >    > > ground, dust & mud, nor prolonged sitting on one's heels

canÂ

>   >    purify a

>   >    > > man who is not free of doubts.

>   >    > >     

>   >    > >    gbp_kumar@

>   >    > >    Sun, 28 May 2006 10:52:41 -0700 (PDT)

>   >    > >   

>   >    > >    Re: case study - guru / moon gaj

kesari yoga

>   >    28/5

>   >    > >      Dear Prafulla,

>   >    > >      I am surprised that the Guru Bashers [Guru is a

maleic

>   >    wherever  he

>   >    > > is  or asppects, will be v happy to see this case in

suchÂ

>   >    light] did

>   >    > > not  jump into the fray I am not one of them

>   >    > >      NOW THE QUESTION WAS DOES GAJAKESARI YOGA

OPERATE OR NOT

>   >    > >      AS I CAN READ IT  it is power, status, money,

etc

>   >    > >      the other questions are not part of Gajakesari

Yoga but

>   >    if u want an

>   >    > > answer on it

>   >    > >      3 misscarriage= 5th lord in 8th with malefic

ketu. surely

>   >    will give

>   >    > > that result who is Neecha too.

>   >    > >      health sani+Sukra does affect health.

>   >    > >      I can write seperately on this if u want

>   >    > >      BUT ALL CLASSICS STATE THE RESULTS ARE

PROPORTIONAL TO

>   >    STRENGTH  OF

>   >    > > THE  YOGAS AND FOR YOGAS THE DASA MUST RUN AND GOCHARA

andÂ

>   >    other Balas

>   >    > > must  support it.

>   >    > >      Mixing gaja kesari with poor health, no male

isuses

>   >    defeats the

>   >    > > Yoga itself. it quality i ssurel reduced but not

eliminated.

>   >    > >      Hw about Mahatma Gandhi he had Gajakesari yoga

commended

>   >    respect

>   >    > > and  wealth  never ammased wealth though rather slod

evveryÂ

>   >    memorablie

>   >    > > and made money for the freedom movement or any relief 

programm

>   >    and many

>   >    > > MALE ISSUES for him Guru is 6th lord in Lagna  in a

enemy sign,

>   >    with

>   >    > > shandra in Kataka-aslesha..

>   >    > >      we can show that there be come qualitative

reductuion due

>   >    to

>   >    > > applying factors, as said dasas, Yogas, gochara etc.

>   >    > >    Prafulla Gang <jyotish@> wrote:        Dear

Mr Kumar

>   >  >  >           I  was expecting this line of  

argument from

>   >    you (!!). I know,

>   >    > > what mean to say; but can we get  down  to few key

things:

>   >    > >            a.  is the jupiter strong for its

>   >    relationship with moon?

>   >    > >              b.  if the (a) is true  - is

jupiterÂ

>   >    poweful enough to render

>   >    > > strong results for - its  occupation, its  ownership,

aspects

>   >    and natural

>   >    > > significations?  and if the results  indicated are not

strong

>   >    enough -

>   >    > > what does it  imply? Jupiter is  afflicted by Moon.

How do you

>   >    justify

>   >    > > poor  health, weak education, lack  of male progeny,

weak

>   >    health of

>   >    > > spouse reflected in personal stress  (jupiter is karka

for

>   >    husband  as

>   >    > > well).  If a yoga is so strong -  should not it

manifest  in

>   >    full - It

>   >    > > does not !!!.

>   >    > >              c.  yoga is   never  meant 

to be

>   >    partial or overridden; it is

>   >    > > sure  shot  indication for its results. For any yoga

to give

>   >    results,

>   >    > > planets  engaged therein - must be positively inclined

for theÂ

>   >    native

>   >    > > and must  be strong as well. If jupiter is afflicted,Â

  it is

>   >    not strong.

>   >    > > and  please quote me from classics, if they  support

yoga

>   >    formation by

>   >    > > weak  planets. The fact remains that -  the lady gone

through 3

>   >    > > abortions  (will strong jupiter let it  happen - if

aspecting

>   >    5th house

>   >    > > in full  with gaj kesari - and  that too in guru maha

dasha).

>   >    Even with

>   >    > > other  factors, strong  lagnesh should have overruled,

all its

>   >    > > overriding  factors; and if  it fails to meet the

overriding

>   >    factors -

>   >    > > certainly  implies that  guru is rendered weak in the

>   >    chart..and gaj

>   >    > > keasri yoga is  not  manifesting (strictly in line with

>   >    classics..as I

>   >    > > repeat -    please quote a support from parashari

saying that

>   >    malefic /

>   >    > > weak  planets are candidate for yoga formation).

>   >    > >             I am  putting this example,  not

to  prove

>   >    or score; so please

>   >    > > experiment the above rationale  from research 

perspective. and

>   >    under any

>   >    > > circumstances, I will  avoid to drag  astrological

experience

>   >    sharing

>   >    > > into unnecessary  arguments.

>   >    > >            regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >    > >      Talk is cheap, because supply exceeds demand.

>   >    > >     

>   >    > >      gbp_kumar@

>   >    > >      Sun, 28 May 2006 00:36:49 -0700 (PDT)

>   >    > >     

>   >    > >      Re: case study - guru / moon gaj

kesari

>   >    yoga 28/5

>   >    > >      Prafulla,

>   >    > >        ur own line cut ^ pasted here...has lots of

luck and

>   >    fortune...

>   >    > >        this is part oft he Gaa kesari yog

>   >    > >        the other issues not par of it, NO male

issue or

>   >    issues with

>   >    > > lumanaries etc.

>   >    > >        and as u said in earlier posts that there

will be

>   >    several other

>   >    > > factors why not here?

>   >    > >        say even Lagna lord going to dusthana, if

lagna

>   >    lord  itself WAK

>   >    > > does  ANY YOGA have a role, will hav eto modified 

isn't it

>   >    that is  one

>   >    > > want  to build a multi storied buildign  on weak soil?

or anÂ

>   >    earthquake

>   >    > > prone  zone?

>   >    > >        same here u can do it and add other

safeguards if u

>   >    want to buold

>   >    > > in such place.

>   >    > >      Prafulla Gang <jyotish@>  wrote:       

Dear

>   >    Members

>   >    > >      I will be posting few charts and let us

investigate the

>   >    > > influences  of dusthana lord moon's effect on natal

guruÂ

>   >    (whether  gaj

>   >    > > kesari yoga  is initialized).

>   >    > >        Case of denial of male progeny and constant

health

>   >    issues

>   >    > >        Female

>   >    > >        July 9, 1972

>   >    > >        18.45 IST

>   >    > >        Jodhpur - India 26N17, 73E04

>   >    > >        dhanu lagna - lagnesh guru in lagna; 8th

lord moonÂ

>   >    and 9th lord

>   >    > > sun in  7th; saturn / venus in 6th;  ketu/mars/mercury

in 8th;

>   >    rahu  in

>   >    > > 2nd house

>   >    > >        Let us not build overriding theories; but

validateÂ

>   >    the fact that

>   >    > > - if  "shubha" yoga is formed with planets  owning

dusthana

>   >    houses  or

>   >    > > weak  planets. In my view, there  is no partial yoga;

feebleÂ

>   >    yoga will

>   >    > > produce  highly  inconsistent results and if at all

it  can -

>   >    then it can

>   >    > > not   override the inherent weakness / bad  results of

>   >    dusthana lords.

>   >    > >        The lady, I read her chart 7/8 years back -

has

>   >    lots  of luck

>   >    > > and  fortune ..but troubled life (more around  naturalÂ

>   >    significations

>   >    > > of  jupiter).

>   >    > >        Please note that - this is not chart readingÂ

>   >    request; but a

>   >    > > sincere submission to validate the existence of yoga.

>   >    > >        regards / Prafulla Gang

>   >    > >  Prashantkumar G B

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>   >    > > but

>   >    > >   off the group consultations are chargeable by chat,

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>   >    phone.

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