Guest guest Posted May 31, 2006 Report Share Posted May 31, 2006 The Sruti passages appropriately show that the world is non different from Brahman (Vacharambhana Sruti of the Chandogya, for example). This step culminates in the appreciating of the Absolute Advaitic nature of Brahman, Shantam, Shivam, Advaitam, as the Turiya is taught in the Mandukyopanishad. This is the 'apavada' or the negation of what was superimposed deliberately earlier. praNAms Sri Subramanian prabhuji Hare Krishna Thanks for penning an excellant article on our traditional methodology of teaching *adhyArOpa apavAda*...It is no doubt that on the nirvikAri parabrahman *the causehood* has been superimposed...shankara in AraMbhaNAdhikaraNa sUtra bhAshya quite elegantly explains this by saying that there is *nothing* which may be called as an effect (pot) for it is only a name, unreal and what is known as cause (clay) is the ONLY real thing. As you said above, shruti also upholds this view by declaring *vAchAraMbhaNam vikAro nAmadhEyaM mruttikEtyEva satyaM*..Further, kArika too beautifully explains this by asserting "birth/creation etc. etc. are taught as a doctrine by the wise ones to those who hold to the view that objects exist because of their appearance and its practical efficiency (vyAvahArika drushti) and for those who are always afraid of that which is unborn".... Thanks onceagain for your nice write-up. Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 praNAms Sri Subramanian prabhuji Hare Krishna VS prabhuji: 'That which is devoid of all duality is described by adhyaropa and apavada' i.e., by superimposition and negation, by attribution and denial.'Bhashya on the Bhagavadgita Chapter 13 verse 13 (tr. by Alladi M.Sastry).unquote. The earlier sentence of the Bhashya in English is: 'Though what is caused (in Kshetrajna) by upadhis is illusory, still it is spoke of - in the words that 'It has hands and feet everywhere'- as though it were an attribute of the Knowable, only with a view to indicate Its existence.' unquote. bhaskar : Interesting point here to be noted is shankara explicitly saying that *sarvataH pANipAdaM* is *adhyArOpa* & sarvEndriya guNAbhAsaM, sarvEndriya vivarjitaM etc. as *apavAda* This proves that Atman is ever *nirvikAri & nirvishEsha* giving us no room to think that it has multiple limbs & indriya-s!!!...& shAstra deliberately doing this superimposition to teach us unobjectifiable (apramEya) & attributeless (nirguNa) parabrahman..Shankara makes this point very clear in his prashnOpanishad bhAshya while talking on *shOdasha kalA puruSha. He says "atyanta nirvishEShE hi advayE shuddhE tattvE na shakyaH adhyArOpamaNtarENa pratipAdya pratipAdanAdi vyavahAraH kartum iti kalAnAm prabhavastityapyayA ArOpyantE avidyA vishayaH*...how clear & lucid it is!! is it not?? without keeping the dualistic vyAvahArik drushti how can we define undefinable Atman?? shAstra with great compassion on us adopting this method & attributing upAdhi-s to explain upAdhi rahita, nirvishEsha brahman...When shAstra itself employing this method to teach parabrahman we cannot question it by using our mundane & conditioned intelligence.. VS prabhuji: As an aside point, let me mention something amusing. Swami Paramarthanandaji once mentioned that in the Brihadaranyaka Upanishad there is a very long discussion just on the origin of the pot. It is known as 'ghaTabhAshyam'!] bhaskar: Yes, there is an elaborated discussions on ghatAkAsha & mahAkAsha at various places in shankara's prasthAna trayi bhAshya...another example is his gItA bhAshya. On the BG verse, *na asatO vidyAtE bhAvO..na abhAvO vidyatE sataH* commentary bhagavadpAda deals with this *pot & clay* topic comprehensively & explains the role of kArya-kAraNa prakriya very effectively...He says since all kArya-s (effects) as such after examination reveals the fact that they are nothing but its cause..kArya in the form of name & form is *asat*..(sarvOvikAraH kAraNa vyatirEkENa anupalabdEH asaN...)at the end he beautifully explains further that even clay as the *cause* of the pot is also asat since this clay as an effect is not appearing different from its cause!!! He says *mrudAdi kAraNasya cha tatkAraNa vyatirEkENa anupalabdE asatyaM*... Hari Hari Hari Bol!!! bhaskar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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