Guest guest Posted June 1, 2006 Report Share Posted June 1, 2006 The top most devotees who also turned out top most jnanis by achieving the top most laurels by pleasing the Lord are .... Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and always said ‘I am servant to Lord Rama’. He even performed many miracles also and still he has given credit of them to Rama only. (Dasoham kosalendrasya.....) For such worship, Lord has given future creator post to Hanuman. Gopikas identified and worshipped Lord Krishna, the then human incarnation only and got the highest fruit of top most Goloka. Swami Vivekananda participated in the mission of propagation of divine knowledge on the order of the then human incarnation Rama Krishna Paramahamsa. Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and latter on participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. Meerabai also propagated Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and propagated them. St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified Lord Jesus by His divine knowledge and participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form during their time and participated in His mission as servants. So, first one should identify the Satguru and then learn divine knowledge from Him. These disciples worshipped their Satguru. At His order, they participated in the propagation of divine knowledge as Service to Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which consists of Karma phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa (physically participating in His mission). They were not in any illusion of Advaita. Sankara who propagated advaita (Nondualism) showed to His disciples that 'you are all not Lord. I am only Lord' by drinking molten lead. The disciples could not drink it. So only Sankara is Lord in human form and not disciples. If disciples themselves are not Lord, normal human beings cannot even think of in their dreams also. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Vikrant <free_for_blue > wrote: can a person do shabar mantra tantra all by himself without consulting a guru..? i mean can a person all alone by himself do shabar mantra tantra just from a book without consulting a guru or a mentor?? if done this way..would there be any harsh consequences..? i am asking this bcoz i came across a small book on shabar mantra-yantra ......... please enlighten... Vikrant How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2006 Report Share Posted June 5, 2006 can u please be more specific pertaining to my question.. thanks. prakki surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: The top most devotees who also turned out top most jnanis by achieving the top most laurels by pleasing the Lord are .... Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and always said ‘I am servant to Lord Rama’. He even performed many miracles also and still he has given credit of them to Rama only. (Dasoham kosalendrasya.....) For such worship, Lord has given future creator post to Hanuman. Gopikas identified and worshipped Lord Krishna, the then human incarnation only and got the highest fruit of top most Goloka. Swami Vivekananda participated in the mission of propagation of divine knowledge on the order of the then human incarnation Rama Krishna Paramahamsa. Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and latter on participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. Meerabai also propagated Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and propagated them. St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified Lord Jesus by His divine knowledge and participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form during their time and participated in His mission as servants. So, first one should identify the Satguru and then learn divine knowledge from Him. These disciples worshipped their Satguru. At His order, they participated in the propagation of divine knowledge as Service to Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which consists of Karma phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa (physically participating in His mission). They were not in any illusion of Advaita. Sankara who propagated advaita (Nondualism) showed to His disciples that 'you are all not Lord. I am only Lord' by drinking molten lead. The disciples could not drink it. So only Sankara is Lord in human form and not disciples. If disciples themselves are not Lord, normal human beings cannot even think of in their dreams also. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Vikrant <free_for_blue > wrote: can a person do shabar mantra tantra all by himself without consulting a guru..? i mean can a person all alone by himself do shabar mantra tantra just from a book without consulting a guru or a mentor?? if done this way..would there be any harsh consequences..? i am asking this bcoz i came across a small book on shabar mantra-yantra ......... please enlighten... Vikrant How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2006 Report Share Posted June 6, 2006 You cannot analyze yourself. Only Satguru can analyze and show your internal self. You cannot see the condition of your internal organs. Only a doctor can take the x-ray photo and will show to you. Then only you can understand your own internal system. Therefore self-analysis does not mean the analysis of yourself by yourself. It means the analysis of yourself with the help of the Satguru. Guru is essential in the success of any spiritual effort. Otherwise, it is like Blind horse don’t see the way – But is running with vigor. The blind bull ran and ran through out the night and was in the field only. It was dissociated from the guide. Therefore catch the Guru at once ----------------- The original Hindu tradition in the ancient times when Rishis (Sages) existed was the most precious diamond in the world. There is no trace of doubt in this statement. But today the tradition has become the charcoal. Perhaps many of you do not know that diamond and charcoal are only the two forms of same element, carbon. When the carbon atoms are in crystalline state it is diamond. The same carbon atoms in amorphous state is charcoal. The substance is same but the arrangement of atoms differs. Therefore the same tradition was re-arranged and was twisted. The tradition lost its shining of diamond and has achieved the black color. The diamond is very strong and cannot be cut. But the charcoal is easily broken. Thus the strength of the ancient tradition is completely lost. In the ancient days sages meditated upon the objects present in the nature keeping them as representative models of the Lord. In those days the Lord did not come in Human form. The sages were fully equipped with right knowledge. If there was a doubt they used to go straight into the upper world and clarify from the Lord directly. There was no necessity of propagation of divine knowledge on the earth. The knowledge is Satvam (good) quality. It creates shining as said in Gita (Prakasa Upa Jaayate). Therefore the Sun and the fire were treated as models of the Lord. The light in Sun and fire was treated as the divine knowledge of the Lord. As the light throws away the darkness, the divine knowledge of the Lord throws away the ignorance. The meaning of model is that we can know the real concept with the help of that model. You are showing a flower with your index finger. When you see the flower you will not see the finger any more. Similarly when the concept is understood the model is left. But the model is preserved for the sake of other ignorant people. When you see the flower the finger is not destroyed. For you there is no need of the finger any more. So when the divine knowledge of the Lord is understood there is no need of Sun and Fire. Meditation means deep thinking and analysis. This means knowing the concept completely. Meditation is the property of intelligence and knowledge is the essence of intelligence. Therefore to know the knowledge completely without any doubt is the process of intelligence. The knowledge in the doubting state is the property of the mind. Veda said that one should meditate upon the Sun treating the Sun as the Lord (Adityam Brahmeti). This means you must see the Sun and understand that the real form of the Lord is the divine knowledge. The Sun is a condensed light. Similarly the Lord is a condensed knowledge as said in Veda (Prajnana Ghanah). The Sun is a simile or a model for the concept (Prateeka). But ignorant people started meditating upon the circle of the Sun. Some more mad people started worshipping the Sun by offering water. Veda clearly stated that the Sun is not the Lord (Nedam Tat, Neti neti). Veda said very clearly that the Lord will not enter any inert object (Natasya Pratima). The Sun is an inert object, which is under the control of the Lord as said in Veda (Bhishodeti Suryah). Bhagavatgita condemned seriously the worship of such inert objects which are only the models standing for the concepts. Gita stated so in a very pungent way that one who worships an inert object will be born as an inert object in the next birth (Bhutejya Yaanti Bhutani). A Sanyasi who is the highest realized soul (Jnani) never offers water to the Sun. The praise is the model is always the praise of the Lord due to the similarity. Though the praise of the Sun the Lord is praised. When you praise stating that the light of the Sun is very bright it means that the knowledge of the Lord is very bright. Slowly the time of sages was gone. In the place of the sages Scholars came. These scholars know every thing. They used to practice the spiritual knowledge to their level best. But in some places they failed to practice. They should have accepted their failure with all frankness. But due to their scholastic ability they misinterpreted the scriptures and covered their inability so that they convinced the public that they are following fully the scriptures. The Lord came down in Human form and started condemning such misinterpretations and preached the right knowledge. The statues represented such Human incarnations. Thus a statue of Rama gives the concept of Human incarnation. A statue is never a man in general in any temple. That indicates that the Lord is coming in Human form and such a man is only the Lord. This means that every man is not the Lord. Only a particular Human being like Rama is only the Lord. Thus the statue gives the concept of the Human incarnation, which comes in every generation. The God is not partial to any particular human generation. The statue in the temple was always associated with initiation of life (Prana Pratistha) whenever the temple was built. The initiation of life in the inert statue indicates that you should catch the living Human incarnation present in your present generation. You should not mistake that the life has entered the statue. If so why the statue does not move or talk? If the life initiation has that much capacity why don’t you use the same to make a dead body alive? Therefore the real concept indicated by the life initiation is gone. A misinterpretation entered. at the lotus feet of shri datta swami surya www.universal-spirituality.org Vikrant <free_for_blue > wrote: can u please be more specific pertaining to my question.. thanks. prakki surya <dattapr2000 > wrote: The top most devotees who also turned out top most jnanis by achieving the top most laurels by pleasing the Lord are .... Hanuman, a topmost devotee identified Lord Rama and served Him and always said ‘I am servant to Lord Rama’. He even performed many miracles also and still he has given credit of them to Rama only. (Dasoham kosalendrasya.....) For such worship, Lord has given future creator post to Hanuman. Gopikas identified and worshipped Lord Krishna, the then human incarnation only and got the highest fruit of top most Goloka. Swami Vivekananda participated in the mission of propagation of divine knowledge on the order of the then human incarnation Rama Krishna Paramahamsa. Likewise the disciples of Adi Sankara worshipped Him as lord and latter on participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. Meerabai also propagated Krishna Bhakti by composing hymns and propagated them. St. Peter, St. John, St. Luke... identified Lord Jesus by His divine knowledge and participated in the propagation of divine knowledge. In all these the disciples identified the Lord in the human form during their time and participated in His mission as servants. So, first one should identify the Satguru and then learn divine knowledge from Him. These disciples worshipped their Satguru. At His order, they participated in the propagation of divine knowledge as Service to Lord. Service only proves our real devotion, which consists of Karma phala tyaga (sacrifice of money) & karma sanyasa (physically participating in His mission). They were not in any illusion of Advaita. Sankara who propagated advaita (Nondualism) showed to His disciples that 'you are all not Lord. I am only Lord' by drinking molten lead. The disciples could not drink it. So only Sankara is Lord in human form and not disciples. If disciples themselves are not Lord, normal human beings cannot even think of in their dreams also. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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