Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 dear friends the enlightening observations of shri PVRN Rao ji are thought provoking for any desirous person on the path of realisation. however, for lesser mortals viz. not so realised nor have any inclination of realisation and want solutions for their material needs, due to lightening speed with which the light of astrology is spreading all over the world, the natives are confused and perplexed in PICKING AND CHOOSING a god even for worshipping. such cherry picking of a particular form of god is not advisable as it is against the tenets of spirituality. natives, in their newfound love to discover the various gods with various titles tailor made for each native, ask the astrologers to find the following: 1. ishta devata 2. kula devata 3. grama devata 4. dharma devata 5. aradhya devata of course, before worshipping any devata, ganesha needs to be worshipped first and this need not be added in the list! if a person is really interested in knowing the reality i.e. truth which is called self realisation, the reality is that GOD IS WITHIN. adi shankarachyarya explained this beautifully in his atmabodha. vedas say "ekam sat, vipraa bahudha vadanti" meaning REALITY(GOD)IS ONE, LEARNT CALL IT MANY. here vipraas means learnt people (astrologers in current context) recommending ishta devatas also. when lord krishna shown the entire universe within his mouth in childhood and again in his vishva roopa darshanam later, it is only to educate the natives that everything is within. since your body is the abode of god, you are all requested to make yourselves pure without any vices and make yourself a respectable person and treat yourself as holy as you treat god. hope i have not strayed from astrology and tried to clear the obfuscation on various ishta, kula etc. devatas. with best wishes pandit arjun vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > I just want to philosophize a little bit here and make some freewheeling comments. Please forgive me if I offend your sensibilities. > > Starting to worship a deity is a *potentially* life-altering event. If someone is suggested the specific sadhana in which one has already made tremendous progress in the previous lives, results can come very quickly. So choosing an ishta devata to recommend to someone is probably the most important choice a Jyotishi makes. > > I cannot believe that thumbrules and formulas are sufficient in such a sublime task. I believe that only an astrologer who is pure from within and in touch with his/her own ishta devata can give perfect guidance in a sublime matter such as this. Of course, a wrong suggestion is not disastrous. Worship of any deity will only lead one in the right direction. But a perfect guidance can save one a lot of time. > > We have various planets associated with various deities, as given in various classics. While many Hindu masters recognize the supreme divinity as nirguna (attribute-less), all manifestations that we can pray to have various gunas (attributes). As planets too represent various attributes, we map planets to devatas. However, there are millions of deities in Hinduism, each representing a different combination of attributes. How can we pick the right deity based just on 9 planets? > > The same god sometimes has many different forms, with different attributes. For example, take Ganesha. There are different forms of Ganesha - Mohana Ganapathi, Uchchishta Ganapathi, Raaja Ganapathi, Siddhi Ganapathi etc. Obviously, each has different attributes. Can the same planet or planet combination capture all? > > One can even imagine Ganapthi not as just an obstacle remover, but as the one who is close to Brahman and almost attribute- less. "Ganapathyatharva Seersham" is a prayer to such a form of Ganesha who is lauded to create, sustain and destroy this universe. Isn't such a subtle form of Ganesha grossly different from the standard form we imagine? Can the same planetary combinations capture it? > > In fact, such a subtle form that is close to formlessness exists for various deities. If Venus shows Lakshmi, does the same Venus show Adyaadi Sri Mahalakshmi, from whom the entire creation - including Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - is said to have come in the sapta shati rahasyam? > > With due respect, I feel that our current understanding of Jyotish is not sufficient and not reliable in coming up with the perfect recommendation for a deity worship for making progress towards moksha. That is why I humbly suggest to fellow Jyotishis that sadhana (personal internal practice of whatever spiritual path one chooses) is essential. Only one whose internal light is pure can guide others correctly. > > Making correct predictions of marriage, job offer, child birth etc is excellent. No doubt. But, if one changes somebody's life by directing one towards the correct form of divinity, there is nothing like it! > > Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th house from AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is empty, you can never be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The 12th from him has Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury and Saturn dominates. Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would not have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer suggested him Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! > > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? > > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas don't work always. Mastering the implications of astrological combinations is difficult and understanding the nature of millions of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot rely on our limited understanding of Jyotish alone. There is really no substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's ishta devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in a positive way. > > Ok, there I end my 2 cents of freewheeling thoughts. Good night! > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > Narasimha > ------------------------------- > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > ------------------------------- > > > Dear Paul, > > > > For Istadevata take the > > strongest planet - if any, in > > 12H from AK in D9. If there is > > no planet, take the lord of > > 12H from AK > > > > Best wishes > > > > jk > > > > > > sohamsa > > [sohamsa@ > > m]On Behalf Of paul_timecharts > > Thursday, June 01, 2006 > > 5:42 PM > > sohamsa > > > > Spirituality > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > I have a chap here who wishes > > to know his Ishta Devata. The > > problem > > is I have not been taught what > > to do if there is no direct > > connection > > between AK (Karakamsha) and > > Istha Devata (Jivanmuktamsha). > > > > AK Shukra in Tula (D9) with > > Mangala, Budha and Ketu in > > Virgo. No > > rashi drshti connects the two > > 'grahas'. > > > > Only thing I thought was > > lagnamsa Vrscika has two > > lords, one with the > > AK, the other with the Ishta. > > Could not this Mangala/Ketu > > indicate > > Deity or would we advise > > Vishnu, even though no > > connection? > > > > All the best, > > Paul > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Dear Sir, I would like to share some thoughts related to Ishta Devata Ishta Devata can be a Personality of Godhead Srikrsna or any demigod. All demigod are servants of SriKrsna. Demigods can give only material benefits. material benefits cannot give self realization. Only Krsna can give the spirit and that is the right path. Even goddess is servant of Krsna. Please believe in Krsna if you like to take the path of spirtuaity. For material benefits any demigod is ok. It would take many births to reach krsna. Thank You NN Prafulla Gang <jyotish (AT) inbox (DOT) com> wrote: Dear Arjun Pandit ji Very well said. Rituals has lesser role than self realization. It is the faith in supreme (and in turn faith on yourself - without doubts) at subconscious level, which leads to the ultimate path. regards / Prafulla Gang Happiness is like a butterfly, the more you chase it, the more it will elude you, if you capture it against it's will, you will kill it, but if you set your mind on other things, it might just come and sit gently on your shoulder. > > panditarjun2004 > Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:27:20 -0000 > vedic astrology > [vedic astrology] Re: Spirituality & Ishta Devata > > dear friends > the enlightening observations of shri PVRN Rao ji are thought > provoking for any desirous person on the path of realisation. > however, for lesser mortals viz. not so realised nor have any > inclination of realisation and want solutions for their material > needs, due to lightening speed with which the light of astrology is > spreading all over the world, the natives are confused and perplexed > in PICKING AND CHOOSING a god even for worshipping. such cherry > picking of a particular form of god is not advisable as it is > against the tenets of spirituality. natives, in their newfound love > to discover the various gods with various titles tailor made for > each native, ask the astrologers to find the following: > 1. ishta devata > 2. kula devata > 3. grama devata > 4. dharma devata > 5. aradhya devata > of course, before worshipping any devata, ganesha needs to be > worshipped first and this need not be added in the list! > if a person is really interested in knowing the reality i.e. truth > which is called self realisation, the reality is that GOD IS > WITHIN. adi shankarachyarya explained this beautifully in his > atmabodha. vedas say "ekam sat, vipraa bahudha vadanti" meaning > REALITY(GOD)IS ONE, LEARNT CALL IT MANY. here vipraas means learnt > people (astrologers in current context) recommending ishta devatas > also. when lord krishna shown the entire universe within his mouth > in childhood and again in his vishva roopa darshanam later, it is > only to educate the natives that everything is within. > since your body is the abode of god, you are all requested to make > yourselves pure without any vices and make yourself a respectable > person and treat yourself as holy as you treat god. > hope i have not strayed from astrology and tried to clear the > obfuscation on various ishta, kula etc. devatas. > with best wishes > pandit arjun > vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" > <pvr wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I just want to philosophize a little bit here and make some > freewheeling comments. Please forgive me if I offend your > sensibilities. > > > > Starting to worship a deity is a *potentially* life-altering > event. If someone is suggested the specific sadhana in which one has > already made tremendous progress in the previous lives, results can > come very quickly. So choosing an ishta devata to recommend to > someone is probably the most important choice a Jyotishi makes. > > > > I cannot believe that thumbrules and formulas are sufficient in > such a sublime task. I believe that only an astrologer who is pure > from within and in touch with his/her own ishta devata can give > perfect guidance in a sublime matter such as this. Of course, a > wrong suggestion is not disastrous. Worship of any deity will only > lead one in the right direction. But a perfect guidance can save one > a lot of time. > > > > We have various planets associated with various deities, as given > in various classics. While many Hindu masters recognize the supreme > divinity as nirguna (attribute-less), all manifestations that we can > pray to have various gunas (attributes). As planets too represent > various attributes, we map planets to devatas. However, there are > millions of deities in Hinduism, each representing a different > combination of attributes. How can we pick the right deity based > just on 9 planets? > > > > The same god sometimes has many different forms, with different > attributes. For example, take Ganesha. There are different forms of > Ganesha - Mohana Ganapathi, Uchchishta Ganapathi, Raaja Ganapathi, > Siddhi Ganapathi etc. Obviously, each has different attributes. Can > the same planet or planet combination capture all? > > > > One can even imagine Ganapthi not as just an obstacle remover, but > as the one who is close to Brahman and almost attribute- > less. "Ganapathyatharva Seersham" is a prayer to such a form of > Ganesha who is lauded to create, sustain and destroy this universe. > Isn't such a subtle form of Ganesha grossly different from the > standard form we imagine? Can the same planetary combinations > capture it? > > > > In fact, such a subtle form that is close to formlessness exists > for various deities. If Venus shows Lakshmi, does the same Venus > show Adyaadi Sri Mahalakshmi, from whom the entire creation - > including Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva - is said to have come in the > sapta shati rahasyam? > > > > With due respect, I feel that our current understanding of Jyotish > is not sufficient and not reliable in coming up with the perfect > recommendation for a deity worship for making progress towards > moksha. That is why I humbly suggest to fellow Jyotishis that > sadhana (personal internal practice of whatever spiritual path one > chooses) is essential. Only one whose internal light is pure can > guide others correctly. > > > > Making correct predictions of marriage, job offer, child birth etc > is excellent. No doubt. But, if one changes somebody's life by > directing one towards the correct form of divinity, there is nothing > like it! > > > > Though the formula at SJC is to take the occupant of the 12th > house from AK in navamsa and to take the lord only if the house is > empty, you can never be sure. For example, take Ramakrishna > Paramahamsa. To me, it will be absurd to think that Kaali is not his > ishta devata. His AK Rahu is in Cp in navamsa. The 12th from him has > Sun, but the lord Jupiter in Aq with Mercury and Saturn dominates. > Saturn in moolatrikona is his dispositor and Saturn ended up > dominating. Through Kaali's worship, he experienced everything that > there was to be experienced in this universe and transcended every > experience. He is a sadhaka without comparison. Standard rules would > not have resulted in Kaali being picked, but, if an astrologer > suggested him Kaali worship when he was young, he did a great job! > > > > Of course, if Saturn shows Kaali, which variation? Should it be > Smasaana Kaali or Bhadra Kaali or Taarana Kaali or some other form? > > > > My point is that there are umpteen parameters and the formulas > don't work always. Mastering the implications of astrological > combinations is difficult and understanding the nature of millions > of deities we have is more difficult. So, we cannot rely on our > limited understanding of Jyotish alone. There is really no > substitute to sincere sadhana and surrendering to one's ishta > devata. Then only one will be able to impact the lives of others in > a positive way. > > > > Ok, there I end my 2 cents of freewheeling thoughts. Good night! > > > > May the light of Brahman shine within, > > Narasimha > > ------------------------------- > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > [http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net] > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > [http://www.VedicAstrologer.org] > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > [http://www.SriJagannath.org] > > ------------------------------- > > > > > Dear Paul, > > > > > > For Istadevata take the > > > strongest planet - if any, in > > > 12H from AK in D9. If there is > > > no planet, take the lord of > > > 12H from AK > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > jk > > > > > > > > > sohamsa > > > [sohamsa@ > > > m]On Behalf Of paul_timecharts > > > Thursday, June 01, 2006 > > > 5:42 PM > > > sohamsa > > > > > > Spirituality > > > > > > > > > Dear Group, > > > > > > I have a chap here who wishes > > > to know his Ishta Devata. The > > > problem > > > is I have not been taught what > > > to do if there is no direct > > > connection > > > between AK (Karakamsha) and > > > Istha Devata (Jivanmuktamsha). > > > > > > AK Shukra in Tula (D9) with > > > Mangala, Budha and Ketu in > > > Virgo. No > > > rashi drshti connects the two > > > 'grahas'. > > > > > > Only thing I thought was > > > lagnamsa Vrscika has two > > > lords, one with the > > > AK, the other with the Ishta. > > > Could not this Mangala/Ketu > > > indicate > > > Deity or would we advise > > > Vishnu, even though no > > > connection? > > > > > > All the best, > > > Paul > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2006 Report Share Posted June 2, 2006 Learned Jyotishis, That was very interesting discussion about the Ista Devatas. Swami vivekananda in his books ( written by others as in memoirs, now compiled in 9 books) used to stress on Shivo aham or tat twan asi..that is " I am he' as a general mantra to some of his disciples who were feeling weak due to whatever reasons. But he was obviously a true advaitin. People like him and Sri Paramhamsa who have realised the reality in its true essence are beyond names and forms. But some like many of us need it, at least some times in stress. On the same note I have wondered how does one advise about Jyotish to say some believer Chritians or Jews or Mohameddans who quite possibly wont be interested in a 'Hindu' deity worship. Are there methods to advise believers in non-vedic forms of worship. Personally I am curious if I should worship Lakshmi as my Atmakaraka Mercuty is in Gemini in 2nd house in D9. 12th from that is Taurus which thus is also the D9 lagna. So venus also becomes the navamsa chart ruler. But in natal Venus is in 6th in scorp and opposed by mars. Some have advised that it is thus afflicted. Also venus itself is in 8th in D9 along with ketu. Since saturn is in ascendant and also retro, I have been advised Sun worship which I do. Also also been advised to remove the tamas of Saturn, to do Rudra worship, especially since I have a Shani Dasha going. I will be grateful if someone can advise me. Any insights will be welcome. (details: 23.22 hours, Saturday, 20th oct 73, vadodara (Gujrat),22n18, 73 e12) Thanks Azaad PS: One basic question about atmakaraka:since mercury is 29 degrees Libra, is it in 'old age' and therefore non-effective resulting in slow thinking or lack of clear thinking? How exactly does the oldest age of the AK lead one to eventual redemption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 dear friend azaad as you rightly observed, vedic astrological remedies like chanting a mantra or visiting a temple or doing a homam or organising a paath etc. are meant only for hindus. China and CIS countries together form more than double our indian population and they have their own set of remedies where astrology or hindu mythology has no role or credence. so are for christians and muslims the two largest religions of the world. during the last two years, i have recommended thousands of simple, inhouse, inexpensive remedies for various graha peedas (malefic planetary affects) for natives of other religions other than hinduism in Lalkitab and Jyotish Remedies groups. i have also been recommending various islamic, jain and buddha mantras for various problems. Lalkitab is one wonderful book which lists out many of these remedies which can be practiced by any religious person living anywhere in the world. however, only an expert lalkitabee can explain you the logic, rationale or correlation between a remedy and a planet. please advise your religion, current country of living and your specific problem, so that a simple inhouse remedy suiting you will be advised. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun vedic astrology, "theblisswithin" <azaad wrote: > > Learned Jyotishis, > That was very interesting discussion about the Ista Devatas. > Swami vivekananda in his books ( written by others as in memoirs, now > compiled in 9 books) used to stress on Shivo aham or tat twan > asi..that is " I am he' as a general mantra to some of his disciples > who were feeling weak due to whatever reasons. But he was obviously a > true advaitin. People like him and Sri Paramhamsa who have realised > the reality in its true essence are beyond names and forms. > But some like many of us need it, at least some times in stress. > > On the same note I have wondered how does one advise about Jyotish to > say some believer Chritians or Jews or Mohameddans who quite possibly > wont be interested in a 'Hindu' deity worship. Are there methods to > advise believers in non-vedic forms of worship. > > Personally I am curious if I should worship Lakshmi as my Atmakaraka > Mercuty is in Gemini in 2nd house in D9. 12th from that is Taurus > which thus is also the D9 lagna. So venus also becomes the navamsa > chart ruler. > But in natal Venus is in 6th in scorp and opposed by mars. Some have > advised that it is thus afflicted. Also venus itself is in 8th in D9 > along with ketu. > > Since saturn is in ascendant and also retro, I have been advised Sun > worship which I do. Also also been advised to remove the tamas of > Saturn, to do Rudra worship, especially since I have a Shani Dasha > going. > > I will be grateful if someone can advise me. > Any insights will be welcome. > > (details: 23.22 hours, Saturday, 20th oct 73, vadodara > (Gujrat),22n18, 73 e12) > Thanks > Azaad > > PS: One basic question about atmakaraka:since mercury is 29 degrees > Libra, is it in 'old age' and therefore non-effective resulting in > slow thinking or lack of clear thinking? > How exactly does the oldest age of the AK lead one to eventual > redemption? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2006 Report Share Posted June 3, 2006 "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear friend azaad > > as you rightly observed, vedic astrological remedies like chanting a > mantra or visiting a temple or doing a homam or organising a paath etc. are meant only for hindus. China and CIS countries together form more than double our indian population and they have their own set of remedies where astrology or hindu mythology has no role or credence. so are for christians and muslims the two largest > religions of the world. during the last two years, i have > recommended thousands of simple, inhouse, inexpensive remedies for > various graha peedas (malefic planetary affects) for natives of > other religions other than hinduism in Lalkitab and Jyotish Remedies groups. i have also been recommending various islamic, jain and buddha mantras for various problems. > Lalkitab is one wonderful book which lists out many of these > remedies which can be practiced by any religious person living > anywhere in the world. however, only an expert lalkitabee can > explain you the logic, rationale or correlation between a remedy and a planet. > please advise your religion, current country of living and your > specific problem, so that a simple inhouse remedy suiting you will > be advised. > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun Should we not ask god for help? If you are ordinary person you should follow the rules of your deeds and nature. If you are a devotee, even then, you should not ask God for help. Your devotion must not aspire any result. You are asking God for help means that you want God to violate his own natural rules. The impression of millions of angles and sages is disturbed if God violates his own rules. That will give a poor impression on God. You are putting God to inconvenience by forcing him to use his supernatural power. Whether you are a devotee or not, you must always try to solve your problems by putting your best effort. If you fail, even then, do not ask God to help you. Then, you think that it is your fate and worship God as usual. Arjuna was fighting with his grandfather, Bhishma. Arjuna was not putting up his best effort to kill Bhishma. He was having sympathy to Bhishma, who has brought up Arjuna. Noting this, Krishna took His Sudarshana chakra and ran to kill Bhishma. That means the Lord tried to solve the problem of Arjuna through His divine power. Arjuna did not agree to this and forced Krishna to stop, because Arjuna knew about his inadequate effort. But when Sindhava was to be killed, Arjuna tried his best, because Arjuna took an oath to kill Sindhava before sunset and otherwise he promised that he would enter the fire. Since the sunset took place apparently due to the Maya of Krishna, Arjuna stopped fighting and wanted to enter the fire. He was just going to jump into the fire but he never asked for help. He thought that was his fate. Therefore, the Lord helped him secretly. Therefore, if you put your best effort, still fail because it is beyond your limits, if you happen to be a real devotee and do not ask for the help from God, then you will be helped by the super power secretly. The secrecy is due to preservation of the sacredness of his administration in the eyes of others. posted by: His servant at the lotus feet of shri datta swami www.universal-spirituality.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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