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Dear Prabhus,

 

Here is a response from New Varshan farm. Please comment. Please include the

address from sender which is: building (AT) xtra (DOT) co.nz

 

Your seervant,

 

Chayadevi

 

 

 

To Balabhadra Prabhu

 

iscowp (AT) ovnet (DOT) com

 

>From Ananta Krsna Dasi

 

New Varshan Farm

 

Auckland

 

New Zealand.

 

4th January 1999.

 

Dear Prabhu,

 

Please accept my humble obeisance's. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

 

Thankyou for the opportunity to comment on the paper being put together by

yourself and others regarding cow protection guidelines for ISKCON farms.

 

Overall we feel that this is a much needed and excellent document and agree

enthusiastically with 98% of it! However, please find attached some comments

and suggestions on a few issues that affect us here in New Zealand.

 

General. It seems that many proposals have been written because there has been

a problem in that area in a specific country. Some issues are not relevant for

us because of our weather conditions, pasture differences, type of cows, etc.

However, I will just comment on issues that do concern us and elaborate on some

I agree with to highlight problems that I've experienced here.

 

4 Feeding (3) Care and attention needs to be taken by kitchen staff that the

cow bucket contains only food fit for her. Cows should not be offered garlands

(to eat), potato peelers, sink plugs, floor sweepings, pot scrubs or burnt food

such as burnt chaunces, burnt custard. Only left overs and vegetable peelings.

 

4 Not allowed

 

(1) Tethering bullocks by the nose. Suggest that the rope go around the horns

then through the nose if a halter is not enough.

 

(3a) Care needs to be taken if purchasing grains for the cows as many merchants

now bulk up feed with animal by products.

 

(3c) That the cow tenderer monitor carefully all scraps from the kitchen and

restaurant. Even cows on partial scrap diet can get so unhealthily fat.

 

5.Milking

 

3a. In NZ, the cows produce 30 litres per day over 2 milkings. The colostrum is

finished in the first 5 milkings (3 days). After this, we restrict our calves

to 3 good feeds per day. The combination of a dairy cow on a rich diet

producing a large quantity of milk with a young calf that doesn't know when to

stop produces a very sick calf.

 

3c In NZ, we start gradual weaning after 3 months. Our calves are already

eating fresh clover and very energetic. The mothers are naturally pushing them

away by then. For us here, 6 months is far too long. Depending on the calf,

cow, and time of year, we generally drop them back to one feed per day at 10

weeks and they are weaned totally at 20 weeks.

 

Not Allowed. 2 b. Why? In NZ, we have a system that has worked well here for 15

years. The cow comes into the bail, she has her feed whilst the cups are on. In

that time she is groomed and checked over for any injuries. If she has a young

calf, they are usually on one quarter and the machine on the other 3. Our

machines here in NZ do not suck as hard as the calf and they pulsate. It is not

a continuous suck. The cows seem very content. They never kick off the cups.

After the machine has finished, the calf is allowed any residue and is with

mata for a good half hour afterwards whilst hosing out. What sort of machines

have you experienced? Maybe they are different to the ones we have here.

 

3. Why? Although in NZ we haven't broken in any cows as yet to work, I see no

reason if she isn't in calf or milking that she couldn't do some light cart

work just as mares work. We have cows here that never have or will milk. So

what will they do for their whole life? They simply get very fat and this leads

to health problems with no exercise.

 

7. Travelling and Preaching Programs.

 

12.This seems like too much red tape. Surely if you have the right person for

the job, then weekly reports would suffice.

 

11. Castration.

 

Not allowed. 1. From our experience, we have, over the years used various

methods. It seems that the discomfort for a 3 day old calf with a band around

his small testicles lasts for 1-2 hours. Then they go numb and shrivel up.

Their is no blood, no infection and no obvious signs such as weight loss etc.

With a yearling bull however, he is far more in tune with his body and the

trauma of anaesthetic, pain and blood loss, flies etc seems far worse than the

band. Generally I find he loses weight and trust in me as being the horrible

person who put him through it. Just when I'm trying to develop that trust in

him.

 

13. Responsibility of Local Community

 

4.Cow Remains. Depending on the emotional attachment that the devotees have to

the cow. This recycling needs to be done discretely, if at all. If many

devotees have been chanting to her, garlands etc, then it is too gross and

insensitive for the local butcher to come in with the chainsaw and saw her up

for dog food. To use the leather maybe ok . So skin and bury. Just be sensitive

to the whole community. Generally we prefer to bury the body and plant a tree

in remembrance. If the cow or bullock has performed a lot of service we have a

feast in their honour and we will give a few statistics on how many litres of

milk she provided to the deities or how many years he worked the land, at the

feast. This creates an appreciative mood amongst the community.

 

IMPORTANT ISSUES NOT ADDRESSED.

 

Guidelines for diseased and dying cows within ISKCON.

 

Issue 1. A. Where a cow /bullock contracts a disease such as TB that, by local

law demands they be destroyed at special slaughterhouses. Do we allow them to

go? Or do we kill them ourselves to save the whole herd, or do we try and hide

them?

 

 

B. Where an animal reacts to the testing of TB but is showing absolutely no

signs of the disease. This happened in 1990 at New Varshan. The reaction was to

an avian TB spread by ducks. The authorities wanted to take her away. I

demanded more comprehensive testing. She still came up +ve. So I hid her and

when tested the next year, she came up clear. They admit that the test is only

60 - 70 % accurate. Often a cow is killed and when autopsied, no lesions are

found. So how far do we go against the local law? In NZ they are very strict.

 

Issue 2. If the cow gets old, skinny and weak. We look after her as best we can

but unfortunately if non devotees see her, they report to the SPCA and want her

put down. Our attitude is of course to make her as comfortable as possible and

nurse till death, but there is the potential for the SPCA to enforce police

action. At present we make sure the karmis cant see the cow. New Goverdhan had

an unfortunate incident involving police etc. If not handled properly, this can

give very bad PR for the community. Our policy here is that if the cow looks

really bad then we take her to a devotee who has land and they keep her there

out of sight.

 

Issue 3. A cow is down for the count. It may take 3 - 5 days depending on its

own reserves. Our feeling is that once determined that she will never get up

again, then no more feed or water. Only a little canamrta and maha. Sometimes

devotees want to give heaps of water and stuff grass in her. This seems to only

prolong her suffering. What are your comments?

 

Thankyou again for your efforts in producing a document that covers these

issues worldwide.

 

I hope these comments shed some light on our cow protection "down under" and

look forward to your comments.

 

Your servant,

 

Ananta Krsna Dasi.

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>

> 4 Feeding (3) Care and attention needs to be taken by kitchen staff that the

> cow bucket contains only food fit for her. Cows should not be offered

garlands

> (to eat), potato peelers, sink plugs, floor sweepings, pot scrubs or burnt

food

> such as burnt chaunces, burnt custard. Only left overs and vegetable

peelings.

>

 

These specifics can be added, but the key thing is that noone should be

feeding

stuff to the cows without the supervision of the primery cowherd Maybe say

"small kitchen utensils" instead of peelers but whatever.

 

> 4 Not allowed

>

> (1) Tethering bullocks by the nose. Suggest that the rope go around the horns

> then through the nose if a halter is not enough.

>

 

We are getting into touchy territory here. The whole nose ring thing is being

consciously avoided this year, so we might put this with that discussion for

next

year.

 

> (3a) Care needs to be taken if purchasing grains for the cows as many

merchants

> now bulk up feed with animal by products.

 

I think we covered this point from Ekadasi when he also brought it to our

attention.

 

>

>

> (3c) That the cow tenderer monitor carefully all scraps from the kitchen and

> restaurant. Even cows on partial scrap diet can get so unhealthily fat.

 

I think we have something to this effect already, although we may not specify

why. To add as a reason why the cowherder is monitoring could be the peeler

stuff

as above and also this point that scraps can make cows unhealthily fat..

 

>

>

> 5.Milking

>

> 3a. In NZ, the cows produce 30 litres per day over 2 milkings. The colostrum

is

> finished in the first 5 milkings (3 days). After this, we restrict our calves

> to 3 good feeds per day. The combination of a dairy cow on a rich diet

> producing a large quantity of milk with a young calf that doesn't know when

to

> stop produces a very sick calf.

 

The point is that calves shouldn't be left to unrestrictedly suckle the mother

if

she is of a breed meant to produce surplus milk? Good point, I think.

 

>

>

> 3c In NZ, we start gradual weaning after 3 months. Our calves are already

> eating fresh clover and very energetic. The mothers are naturally pushing

them

> away by then. For us here, 6 months is far too long. Depending on the calf,

> cow, and time of year, we generally drop them back to one feed per day at 10

> weeks and they are weaned totally at 20 weeks.

 

Out of my league on this one. Maybe ask Ranaka how it does it in NV for some

relativity.

 

>

>

> Not Allowed. 2 b. Why? In NZ, we have a system that has worked well here for

15

> years. The cow comes into the bail, she has her feed whilst the cups are on.

In

> that time she is groomed and checked over for any injuries. If she has a

young

> calf, they are usually on one quarter and the machine on the other 3. Our

> machines here in NZ do not suck as hard as the calf and they pulsate. It is

not

> a continuous suck. The cows seem very content. They never kick off the cups.

> After the machine has finished, the calf is allowed any residue and is with

> mata for a good half hour afterwards whilst hosing out. What sort of machines

> have you experienced? Maybe they are different to the ones we have here.

 

This is a reference to no milking machines? Assuming that is the case, the

reason

is that it makes milking too easy and it is too easy to just start breeding

more

cows than if the physical limitation of hand milking is there. The potential

of

out of balance breeding programs is too great.

 

It is not the milking machines themselves that are bad, but the socioeconomic

paradigm that they represent. It means less people have to be involved with

the

cows and they become depersonalised. I have personal observation of this at

NV. I

really think the potential for abuse is too high with milking machines.

 

It starts to become more of a commercial enterprise which Srila Prabhupada has

directly warned against.

 

>

>

> 3. Why? Although in NZ we haven't broken in any cows as yet to work, I see no

> reason if she isn't in calf or milking that she couldn't do some light cart

> work just as mares work. We have cows here that never have or will milk. So

> what will they do for their whole life? They simply get very fat and this

leads

> to health problems with no exercise.

>

 

Personally I am not so opposed to light work. It was Rohita wasn't it who was

pretty strong on the issue? I think again it is the potential for abuse that

is

being avoided here. I'm open to the suggestion of some work if there are clear

limitations.

 

> 7. Travelling and Preaching Programs.

>

> 12.This seems like too much red tape. Surely if you have the right person for

> the job, then weekly reports would suffice.

>

> 11. Castration.

>

> Not allowed. 1. From our experience, we have, over the years used various

> methods. It seems that the discomfort for a 3 day old calf with a band around

> his small testicles lasts for 1-2 hours. Then they go numb and shrivel up.

> Their is no blood, no infection and no obvious signs such as weight loss etc.

> With a yearling bull however, he is far more in tune with his body and the

> trauma of anaesthetic, pain and blood loss, flies etc seems far worse than

the

> band. Generally I find he loses weight and trust in me as being the horrible

> person who put him through it. Just when I'm trying to develop that trust in

> him.

 

The physical development of an oxen from the perspective of work potential is

better if they are allowed to have their testicles for part of their

development.

That overweighs later temporary trauma.

 

Having a professional come in and perform the deed would skirt the loss of

trust

issue, and crimping avoids the loss of blood , flies, etc.

 

>

>

> 13. Responsibility of Local Community

>

> 4.Cow Remains. Depending on the emotional attachment that the devotees have

to

> the cow. This recycling needs to be done discretely, if at all. If many

> devotees have been chanting to her, garlands etc, then it is too gross and

> insensitive for the local butcher to come in with the chainsaw and saw her up

> for dog food. To use the leather maybe ok . So skin and bury. Just be

sensitive

> to the whole community. Generally we prefer to bury the body and plant a tree

> in remembrance. If the cow or bullock has performed a lot of service we have

a

> feast in their honour and we will give a few statistics on how many litres of

> milk she provided to the deities or how many years he worked the land, at the

> feast. This creates an appreciative mood amongst the community.

 

In low economic level areas, the recycling can be a significant factor, so

can't

be just ignored, even though it isn't a big issue in more affluent areas. The

mood thing is important, and it is a sensitive issue that does need to be

handled

with discretion according to particular circumstances.

 

>

>

> IMPORTANT ISSUES NOT ADDRESSED.

>

> Guidelines for diseased and dying cows within ISKCON.

>

> Issue 1. A. Where a cow /bullock contracts a disease such as TB that, by

local

> law demands they be destroyed at special slaughterhouses. Do we allow them to

> go? Or do we kill them ourselves to save the whole herd, or do we try and

hide

> them?

 

Good question. Personally, if it is a forced destruction, I would advise

devotees to let the authorities actually perform the deed. I don't think

there is

any time a devotee should kill a cow.

 

As for complying with local laws, I think officially we have to recommend

doing

that. To recommend not complying with local authorities as a matter of policy

is

dangerous ground.

 

If the animal is actually infectious, then it behooves the devotees to at

minimum

isolate the animal from other devotee animals.

 

>

>

> B. Where an animal reacts to the testing of TB but is showing absolutely no

> signs of the disease. This happened in 1990 at New Varshan. The reaction was

to

> an avian TB spread by ducks. The authorities wanted to take her away. I

> demanded more comprehensive testing. She still came up +ve. So I hid her and

> when tested the next year, she came up clear. They admit that the test is

only

> 60 - 70 % accurate. Often a cow is killed and when autopsied, no lesions are

> found. So how far do we go against the local law? In NZ they are very strict.

 

The info about avian TB is good to know.

 

>

>

> Issue 2. If the cow gets old, skinny and weak. We look after her as best we

can

> but unfortunately if non devotees see her, they report to the SPCA and want

her

> put down. Our attitude is of course to make her as comfortable as possible

and

> nurse till death, but there is the potential for the SPCA to enforce police

> action. At present we make sure the karmis cant see the cow. New Goverdhan

had

> an unfortunate incident involving police etc. If not handled properly, this

can

> give very bad PR for the community. Our policy here is that if the cow looks

> really bad then we take her to a devotee who has land and they keep her there

> out of sight.

 

Good idea. We have also had problems with natural death and neighbors at NV.

If

the general program is strong, then it is less of an issue.

 

>

>

> Issue 3. A cow is down for the count. It may take 3 - 5 days depending on its

> own reserves. Our feeling is that once determined that she will never get up

> again, then no more feed or water. Only a little canamrta and maha. Sometimes

> devotees want to give heaps of water and stuff grass in her. This seems to

only

> prolong her suffering. What are your comments?

 

Offer it to her and let her make her own decision but don't force it on her.

 

>

>

> Thankyou again for your efforts in producing a document that covers these

> issues worldwide.

>

> I hope these comments shed some light on our cow protection "down under" and

> look forward to your comments.

>

> Your servant,

>

> Ananta Krsna Dasi.

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Date:11-Jan-99 12:39 -0500

COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)

<madhava.gosh.acbsp (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se>

To:Cow (Protection and related issues)

 

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

4 Feeding (3) Care and attention needs to be taken by kitchen staff that the

cow bucket contains only food

fit for her. Cows should not be offered garlands (to eat), potato peelers,

sink plugs, floor sweepings, pot

scrubs or burnt food such as burnt chaunces, burnt custard. Only left overs

and vegetable peelings.

 

> Madhava Gosh

These specifics can be added, but the key thing is that no one should be

feeding stuff to the cows without the

supervision of the primery cowherd Maybe say "small kitchen utensils" instead

of peelers but whatever.

 

> Rohita dasa

only the first sentence is essential.

___________________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> 4 Not allowed

> (1) Tethering bullocks by the nose. Suggest that the rope go around the

horns then through the nose if a

halter is not enough.

 

> Madhava Gosh

We are getting into touchy territory here. The whole nose ring thing is being

consciously avoided this year,

so we might put this with that discussion for next year.

 

> Rohita dasa

agreed with MG.

________________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

(3a) Care needs to be taken if purchasing grains for the cows as many

merchants now bulk up feed with

animal by products.

 

> Madhava Gosh

I think we covered this point from Ekadasi when he also brought it to our

attention.

 

> Rohita dasa

This was covered long ago under feeding; unless in my absence it could have

been deleted.

__________________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> (3c) That the cow tenderer monitor carefully all scraps from the kitchen and

restaurant. Even cows on

partial scrap diet can get so unhealthily fat.

 

> Madhava Gosh

I think we have something to this effect already, although we may not specify

why. To add as a reason why

the cowherder is monitoring could be the peeler stuff as above and also this

point that scraps can make cows

unhealthily fat.

 

> Rohita dasa

If these localities are being managed properly there will not be much coming

from them, if there is it is just a

matter of giving to more animals or giving each individual cow less. This is

the judgement of the head

cowherder to oversee.

_______________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> 5.Milking

> 3a. In NZ, the cows produce 30 litres per day over 2 milkings. The colostrum

is finished in the first 5

milkings (3 days). After this, we restrict our calves to 3 good feeds per day.

The combination of a dairy cow

on a rich diet producing a large quantity of milk with a young calf that

doesn't know when to stop produces

a very sick calf.

 

> Madhava Gosh

The point is that calves shouldn't be left to unrestrictedly suckle the mother

if she is of a breed meant to

produce surplus milk? Good point, I think.

 

> Rohita dasa

In another communique sent to this conference on this topic; to which I add,

when I am milking cows noted

for high fat content the best method is to give their calf to a 'nurse cow'

(ususally a cow feeding its owne calf

or to one that a poorer milker - not as high in fat or with a lower production

level).

_________________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> 3c In NZ, we start gradual weaning after 3 months. Our calves are already

eating fresh clover and very

energetic. The mothers are naturally pushing them away by then. For us here, 6

months is far too long.

Depending on the calf, cow, and time of year, we generally drop them back to

one feed per day at 10 weeks

and they are weaned totally at 20 weeks.

 

> Madhava Gosh

Out of my league on this one. Maybe ask Ranaka how it does it in NV for some

relativity.

 

> Rohita dasa

Mother Ananta Krsna dasi is feeding cows on very rich soil whereas we here on

the Mississippi Gulf Coast

are feeding on a poor sandy soil (ridge top). We started out following the

government recommendations,

which match her method very well. Our conditions required that longer peroid

time peroid to sustain require

growth otherwise we experience calves stopping growth shortly after weaning

and not starting growth again

until about three. In England they feed even longer than us.

_____________________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> Not Allowed. 2 b. Why? In NZ, we have a system that has worked well here for

15 years. The cow comes

into the bail, she has her feed whilst the cups are on. In that time she is

groomed and checked over for any

injuries. If she has a young calf, they are usually on one quarter and the

machine on the other 3. Our

machines here in NZ do not suck as hard as the calf and they pulsate. It is

not a continuous suck. The cows

seem very content. They never kick off the cups. After the machine has

finished, the calf is allowed any

residue and is with mata for a good half hour afterwards whilst hosing out.

What sort of machines have you

experienced? Maybe they are different to the ones we have here.

 

> Madhava Gosh

This is a reference to no milking machines? Assuming that is the case, the

reason is that it makes milking too

easy and it is too easy to just start breeding more cows than if the physical

limitation of hand milking is

there. The potential of out of balance breeding programs is too great.

 

It is not the milking machines themselves that are bad, but the socioeconomic

paradigm that they represent.

It means less people have to be involved with the cows and they become

depersonalised. I have personal

observation of this at NV. I really think the potential for abuse is too high

with milking machines.

 

It starts to become more of a commercial enterprise which Srila Prabhupada has

directly warned against.

 

> Rohita dasa

I have milked by hand forover 20 years, usually peope purchase cheap machines

that require constant

adjustment and monitoring in order to obtain the required results. I agree

with MG about its high potential

for abuse. Personally for me milking by hand is what has calmed the savage

beast in me, I very much relish

it, it ranks up there with the mediation of japa mala.

__________________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> 3. Why? Although in NZ we haven't broken in any cows as yet to work, I see

no reason if she isn't in calf

or milking that she couldn't do some light cart work just as mares work. We

have cows here that never have

or will milk. So what will they do for their whole life? They simply get very

fat and this leads to health

problems with no exercise.

 

> Madhava Gosh

Personally I am not so opposed to light work. It was Rohita wasn't it who was

pretty strong on the issue? I

think again it is the potential for abuse that is being avoided here. I'm open

to the suggestion of some work if

there are clear limitations.

 

> Rohita dasa

I think I have been mis-understood here. I am strong on; that all animals

being trained, meaning train to lead

and understanding of commands, also gotten use to their feet being handled.

Oxen receive additional training

in the field of work (ploughing, pumping ect.) The training of cows to do work

as an oxen is suited to do

should only be done when there is no oxen, as a matter of necessity - and then

not heavy. Her body is not of

the proper conformation, wrong bone shape and musculature. There should be no

thought of training cows

when most farms do not even have working ox, although they have many castrated

male animals unengaged.

______________________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> 12.This seems like too much red tape. Surely if you have the right person

for the job, then weekly reports

would suffice.

 

> Rohita dasa

Many farms (the cows and their care givers) have been experiencing lack of

attention from those in

management. The above is an attempt to involve them (the management - all

levels).

 

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> 11. Castration.

> Not allowed. 1. From our experience, we have, over the years used various

methods. It seems that the

discomfort for a 3 day old calf with a band around his small testicles lasts

for 1-2 hours. Then they go numb

and shrivel up. Their is no blood, no infection and no obvious signs such as

weight loss etc. With a yearling

bull however, he is far more in tune with his body and the trauma of

anaesthetic, pain and blood loss, flies

etc seems far worse than the band. Generally I find he loses weight and trust

in me as being the horrible

person who put him through it. Just when I'm trying to develop that trust in

him.

 

> Madhava Gosh

The physical development of an oxen from the perspective of work potential is

better if they are allowed to

have their testicles for part of their development. That overweighs later

temporary trauma.

 

Having a professional come in and perform the deed would skirt the loss of

trust issue, and crimping avoids

the loss of blood , flies, etc.

 

> Rohita dasa

On MG first point I agree. As also with crimping as the best method for the

fly and blood loss problems.

 

Although I have not had much experience in working oxen I have casterated many

bulls both young and old

(using all methods- band, knife and crimping), and find they still trust me

regardless of method used.

 

In 1995 two 12 year old bulls were done (taken to a vet. because of their

size) they expereince some trauma

and have at no time have they been hard to handle. They were casterated

because we wished to stop

completely all breeding because of our large herd size. Since then we have not

had any calves born here.

 

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> 13. Responsibility of Local Community

> 4.Cow Remains. Depending on the emotional attachment that the devotees have

to the cow. This recycling

needs to be done discretely, if at all. If many devotees have been chanting to

her, garlands etc, then it is too

gross and insensitive for the local butcher to come in with the chainsaw and

saw her up for dog food. To use

the leather maybe ok . So skin and bury. Just be sensitive to the whole

community. Generally we prefer to

bury the body and plant a tree in remembrance. If the cow or bullock has

performed a lot of service we have

a feast in their honour and we will give a few statistics on how many litres

of milk she provided to the deities

or how many years he worked the land, at the feast. This creates an

appreciative mood amongst the

community.

 

> Madhava Gosh

In low economic level areas, the recycling can be a significant factor, so

can't be just ignored, even though it

isn't a big issue in more affluent areas. The mood thing is important, and it

is a sensitive issue that does need

to be handled with discretion according to particular circumstances.

 

> Rohita dasa

Agreed.

 

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> IMPORTANT ISSUES NOT ADDRESSED.

>

> Guidelines for diseased and dying cows within ISKCON.

>

> Issue 1. A. Where a cow /bullock contracts a disease such as TB that, by

local law demands they be

destroyed at special slaughterhouses. Do we allow them to go? Or do we kill

them ourselves to save the

whole herd, or do we try and hide them?

 

> Madhava Gosh

Good question. Personally, if it is a forced destruction, I would advise

devotees to let the authorities actually

perform the deed. I don't think there is any time a devotee should kill a cow.

 

 

As for complying with local laws, I think officially we have to recommend

doing that. To recommend not

complying with local authorities as a matter of policy is dangerous ground.

 

If the animal is actually infectious, then it behooves the devotees to at

minimum isolate the animal from other

devotee animals.

 

> Rohita dasa

>From practical expereince of this situation:

When I was residing at the Bridesville Farm in 1974 we asked this question of

Srila Prabhupada, because we

were faced with this problem. We were in a quaranteed area for a disease

called Blue Tongue (cows are

carriers and get a fever, 98% of all sheep who are infected die within 48

hours), a number of our cows tested

positive for it. Remedy- kill all carriers an re-emburse based on animals

value from an examination by vet.,

livestock judge and meat inspector, then whole animal is burnt.

 

Prabhupada's direction:

1. Do not hinder/help any official.

2. Do not take re-embursement.

3. Observe to see they do not abuse in their course of duty.

 

We did not help them collect all animals (one of the testers was gored) or

participated in their testing. The

cows could smell meat on the testers sweat and upon the arrival of the testers

all animals ran to the opposite

end of the field, trying hard to resist rounding up. They did not test any

immature animal and when they

were going to take a calf born of an infected cow we told them they must test

before. As it turned out the

calf was negative, she had drank milk from a different cow, who was negative,

and had thus received some

immunity.

______________________________

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> B. Where an animal reacts to the testing of TB but is showing absolutely no

signs of the disease. This

happened in 1990 at New Varshan. The reaction was to an avian TB spread by

ducks. The authorities

wanted to take her away. I demanded more comprehensive testing. She still came

up +ve. So I hid her and

when tested the next year, she came up clear. They admit that the test is only

60 - 70 % accurate. Often a

cow is killed and when autopsied, no lesions are found. So how far do we go

against the local law? In NZ

they are very strict.

 

> Madhava Gosh

The info about avian TB is good to know.

 

> Rohita dasa

Prabhupada's direction:

1. Do not hinder/help any official. They are representives of Krishna although

they are also rascals.

2. Do not take re-embursement. It ties us into their karma.

3. Observe to see they do not abuse in their course of duty.

 

In your case, you could have asked for another test or had another party

do the testing (hired someone to do a test) for conformation. It appears that

either their testing procedure is

faulty or that it is not suited to that particular form of TB.

 

I would suggest that someone could arrange to check the literature on the

various methods of testing of

different TB types and approach the appropriate authorities to have the method

changed. Thus other animals

besides our own may be saved un-needed harm.

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

Issue 2. If the cow gets old, skinny and weak. We look after her as best we

can but unfortunately if non

devotees see her, they report to the SPCA and want her put down. Our attitude

is of course to make her as

comfortable as possible and nurse till death, but there is the potential for

the SPCA to enforce police action.

At present we make sure the karmis cant see the cow. New Goverdhan had an

unfortunate incident involving

police etc. If not handled properly, this can give very bad PR for the

community. Our policy here is that if

the cow looks really bad then we take her to a devotee who has land and they

keep her there out of sight.

 

> Madhava Gosh

Good idea. We have also had problems with natural death and neighbors at NV.

If the general program is

strong, then it is less of an issue.

 

> Rohita dasa

Agreed. We generally do not allow even local devotees to become aware as some

of them are of similar

mind as our neighbours.

 

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> Issue 3. A cow is down for the count. It may take 3 - 5 days depending on

its own reserves. Our feeling is

that once determined that she will never get up again, then no more feed or

water. Only a little canamrta and

maha. Sometimes devotees want to give heaps of water and stuff grass in her.

This seems to only prolong

her suffering. What are your comments?

 

> Madhava Gosh

Offer it to her and let her make her own decision but don't force it on her.

 

> Rohita dasa

Agreed with MG.

 

> Ananta Krsna Dasi

> Thank you again for your efforts in producing a document that covers these

issues worldwide.

>

> I hope these comments shed some light on our cow protection "down under" and

look forward to your

comments.

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> Prabhupada's direction:

> 1. Do not hinder/help any official.

> 2. Do not take re-embursement.

> 3. Observe to see they do not abuse in their course of duty.

 

Good practical advice

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