Guest guest Posted January 1, 1999 Report Share Posted January 1, 1999 > At 14:57 -0800 1/1/99, COM: (Bhakta) Oleg Demtchenko (Nikolaev - RU) > wrote: > >[Text 1981313 from COM] > > > >> "While the calf, ever butting with its head, one knee slightly bent, > >> and its tail ever moving prettily, sucks its mother's udder whence the > >> milk drips, the cow, lowing softly in delight at her child, licks the > >> upturned face of the young one whose mouth is flecked by spots from her > >> milk." > > > >You mean we all should look at matajis as a calf looks on his cow mother? > >But we shouldn't expect milk from them, should we? > > No. Besides, staring at women's breasts on the pretense of imitating a > calf is udderly ridiculous. > > Ys, > Madhusudani dasi How about expecting motherly affection? ys KKdas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 1999 Report Share Posted January 2, 1999 >Could you clarify your statement? I wasn't sure how to take it. That was a joke. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 1999 Report Share Posted January 3, 1999 Dear Mukunda Datta prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances, All glories to Srila Prabhupada! In response to your information about motherly affection, your words were very much appreciated. I hope that everyone takes your message to heart! On the other hand, your inference that the Vedic literature (you mentioned Srimad Bhagavatam specifically) is poetry, and therefore accomodating to many interpretations is strange, to say the least. Perhaps you did not mean exactly what you said? ---"M. Tandy" <mpt@u.washington.edu> wrote: > What does it actually mean? Well, let's remember, >poetry is subjective, and good poetry always >accomodates many interpretations. In fact, most Vedic >literature, including even the BhAgavatam, is also >poetry. Those who vociferously assert their views >about it may do well to remember this fact. I do not believe that this is Srila Prabhupada's mood, do you? Srila Prabhupada was clear that there was only one interpretation of Vedic literature, and that is the interpretation which leads the reader to the knowledge of the Supreme Lord Krsna. "Therefore we have published this Bhagavad-gita. It is the essence of all Vedic literature, Bhagavad-gita as it is. You have to learn Bhagavad-gita as it is. Don't interpret in your own way. There is no possibility. But people do it, and foolish persons, they accept it. No, there is no question of interpretation." (Lecture at Int. Student Society-Boston, May 3, 1969) Have I misunderstood your words? If so, would you care to clarify your position so that I may be corrected? your humble servant Devarsi Muni dasa As far as I'm concerned, this verse is the picture > of motherhood, vAtsalya. This very word for maternal affection is derived > from the word, "vatsa," calf. In Vedic culture, the love of a cow for her > calf is thus considered to be the paragon of motherly love, or even of > love in general, since the purest love in this world is maternal love. It > will do us good to consider all these things when we call someone our > mother; that word carries all the superlative respect as does the term > "prabhu." Hence, I said see all matajis like this. > > Hare Krishna. > > MDd > > > > > AhatyAhatya-mUrdhnA drutam anupibataH prasnutaM mAtur UdhaH kiJcit > > > kuJcaika-jAnor anavarata-calac-cAru-pucchasya dhenuH uttIrNaM tarNakasya > > > priya-tanayatayA datta-huGkAra-mudrA > > > visraGsi-kSIra-dhArA-lavazabala-mukhasyAGgam AtRpti leDhi > > > > > > "While the calf, ever butting with its head, one knee slightly bent, and > > > its tail ever moving prettily, sucks its mother's udder whence the milk > > > drips, the cow, lowing softly in delight at her child, licks the upturned > > > face of the young one whose mouth is flecked by spots from her milk." > > > == Please accept my humble obeisances, All Glories To Srila Prabhupada! your servant, Devarsi Muni dasa "If one is overcome by knowledge of the Lord's opulence, he cannot attain the Lord's lotus feet, even though he is engaged in devotional service" (Cc. Madhya 8.230) _______ DO YOU !? Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 1999 Report Share Posted January 3, 1999 > > > > What does it actually mean? Well, let's remember, >poetry is > subjective, and good poetry always >accomodates many interpretations. > In fact, most Vedic >literature, including even the BhAgavatam, is > also >poetry. Those who vociferously assert their views >about it may > do well to remember this fact. > > I do not believe that this is Srila Prabhupada's mood, do you? Srila > Prabhupada was clear that there was only one interpretation of Vedic > literature, and that is the interpretation which leads the reader to > the knowledge of the Supreme Lord Krsna. Madhya Chapter 24 The Sixty-One Explanations of the Ätmäräma Verse The following summary of this chapter is given by Çréla Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura in his Amåta-praväha-bhäñya. According to Çré Sanätana Gosvämé’s request, Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu explained the well-known Çrémad-Bhägavatam verse beginning ätmärämäç ca munayaù. He explained this verse in sixty-one different ways. He analyzed all the words and described each word with its different connotations. Adding the words ca and api, He described all the different meanings of the verse. He then concluded that different classes of transcendentalists (jïänés, karmés, yogés) utilize this verse according to their own interpretation, but if they would give up this process and surrender to Kåñëa, as indicated by the verse itself, they would be able to comprehend the real meaning of the verse. Antya 1:136 Çréla Bhaktivinoda Öhäkura interprets this verse (Vidagdha-mädhava 1.10) in two ways, for Lord Kåñëa and for Çrématé Rädhäräëé. When interpreted for Kåñëa, the night is understood to have been a dark-moon night, and when interpreted for Çrématé Rädhäräëé, it is considered to have been a full-moon nigh > > > "Therefore we have published this Bhagavad-gita. It is the essence of > all Vedic literature, Bhagavad-gita as it is. You have to learn > Bhagavad-gita as it is. Don't interpret in your own way. There is no > possibility. But people do it, and foolish persons, they accept it. > No, there is no question of interpretation." > (Lecture at Int. Student Society-Boston, May 3, 1969) > > Have I misunderstood your words? If so, would you care to clarify your > position so that I may be corrected? > > your humble servant > > Devarsi Muni dasa Just as an outside opinion, I think you are both right. It is poetry and has multiple levels of interpretations, but it is still possible to interprete it wrongly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 1999 Report Share Posted January 4, 1999 "nothing so transcendental as a calf sucking from its mother..." do you have loose screws or what? that´s not the definition of transcnedental that Prabhupada gave. ys madanalasa dd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 1999 Report Share Posted January 5, 1999 COM: Padmanabha (das) HKS (NJNK - D) wrote: > [Text 1987937 from COM] > > "nothing so transcendental as a calf sucking from its mother..." > > do you have loose screws or what? that´s not the definition of > transcnedental that Prabhupada gave. > ys madanalasa dd The following neither prove nor disprove either of the aboveK B 14“Therefore, my dear Lord, I pray that I may be so fortunate that in this life or in another life, wherever I may take my birth, I may be counted as one of Your devotees. Wherever I may be, I pray that I may be engaged in Your devotional service. I do not even care what form of life I get in the future, because I can see that even in the form of cows and calves or cowherd boys, the devotees are so fortunate to be always engaged in Your transcendental loving service and association. Therefore I wish to be one of them instead of such an exalted person as I am now, for I am full of ignorance. The gopis and cows of Vrindaban are so fortunate that they have been able to supply their breast milk to You. Conversation 10-14-77 Pradyumna: Er, er, “Then Lord Balaräma, thinking in this way,” iti saïcintya, vayunena cakñuñä, “with the eye of knowledge”? Prabhupada: Transcendental knowledge. Pradyumna: “...with the eye of transcendental knowledge.” Sarvän sa-vayasän (sahacarän) vatsän (goçävakän) api vaikuëöham (Sri Krsna eva) äcañöa (apaçyat): “He saw all those calves as Sri Krsna only.” Vaikuntha Sri Krsna eva apaçyat: “He saw that all those calves were Krsna.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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