Guest guest Posted March 11, 1999 Report Share Posted March 11, 1999 Ugresa das wrote: >This is partially true but not relevant for humans. Non of the animals is >supposed to eat anything cooked. So why should they tolerate boiled milk as >well, as humans do who boil most of their food. If you eat grass the whole >day it might not be healthy for you but its more than fine for the cow. >Another factor is the freshness of the milk. Bacteria counts are doubling >every half an hour in un boiled milk. If you drink the milk strait from the >(clean and healthy) cow it might be fine but if you have to wait a few days >until you get the milk, it might contain enough bacteria already to make >you sick. Yes I am talking about drinking milk, fresh straight from the cow. Of coarse the point is that fresh is best. Not all of us have the facility to get fresh milk. I grew up on this, and I'm hardly ever ill! Yes, and of course the cow should be healthy. If there is any doubt or the milk cannot be taken immediately then it should be boiled, and drunk as fresh as possible. (We are devotees, so it goes without saying that it must be offered) The point is that pasteurized milk in the shops is far from fresh. They pasteurize it to make it last as long as possible. Also they pasteurize it and store it. This is not what Prabhupada said. If you boil it fresh and offer it it is obviously much more valuable than if it is boiled and then stored. >> It is nothing but >> half-boiled milk lacking in nourishment. If you give to calves they die. >> If you give it to rats they fail to reproduce their species. The point is that if you give pasteurized milk to calves, they die. I am not saying we SHOULD give it to them or even ask them to tollerate it. And according to this quote pasteurized milk means it has been (half boiled) and then stored. Your servant, Radha Krsna das. PS Goats milk is another subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 1999 Report Share Posted March 15, 1999 Raw milk contains more than 25 different active food enzymes (protease, lactase, lipase etc.) which are vital for the proper digestion of the milk. The enzymes are destroyed when the milk is heated above 40 degrees Celcius. When the enzymes are destroyed, the calves cannot digest the milk properly on their own, that is why the get sick and die. According to western naturopathy, consumption of fresh raw milk is also the best for humans. Is it really a fact that Ayurveda recommends boiling of milk, and if so, what are the explanations given in the texts? YS, Ole Alstrup ---"COM: Radha Krsna (das) ACBSP (GB)" <Radha.Krsna.ACBSP (AT) com (DOT) bbt.se> wrote: > > [Text 2152972 from COM] > > Ugresa das wrote: > > >This is partially true but not relevant for humans. Non of the animals is > >supposed to eat anything cooked. So why should they tolerate boiled milk as > >well, as humans do who boil most of their food. If you eat grass the whole > >day it might not be healthy for you but its more than fine for the cow. > > >Another factor is the freshness of the milk. Bacteria counts are doubling > >every half an hour in un boiled milk. If you drink the milk strait from the > >(clean and healthy) cow it might be fine but if you have to wait a few days > >until you get the milk, it might contain enough bacteria already to make > >you sick. > > Yes I am talking about drinking milk, fresh straight from the cow. Of coarse > the point is that fresh is best. Not all of us have the facility to get > fresh milk. I grew up on this, and I'm hardly ever ill! Yes, and of course > the cow should be healthy. If there is any doubt or the milk cannot be > taken immediately then it should be boiled, and drunk as fresh as possible. > (We are devotees, so it goes without saying that it must be offered) > The point is that pasteurized milk in the shops is far from fresh. They > pasteurize it to make it last as long as possible. Also they pasteurize it > and store it. This is not what Prabhupada said. If you boil it fresh and > offer it it is obviously much more valuable than if it is boiled and then > stored. > > > >> It is nothing but > >> half-boiled milk lacking in nourishment. If you give to calves they die. > >> If you give it to rats they fail to reproduce their species. > The point is that if you give pasteurized milk to calves, they die. I am not > saying we SHOULD give it to them or even ask them to tollerate it. And > according to this quote pasteurized milk means it has been (half boiled) and > then stored. > > > > Your servant, > > Radha Krsna das. > PS Goats milk is another subject. > _______ DO YOU !? Get your free @ address at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 1999 Report Share Posted March 16, 1999 >> PS Goats milk is another subject. >> > Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Does anyone on this conference know if goat's milk is safer in raw form than cow's milk? I am raising dairy goats and this is the only milk we drink now since our only heifer will be bred in the next few months and we have no cow's milk for at least another year. I have been reading books on the debate of pasteurization vs. raw and have read that it is as rare as getting struck by a meteor for raw goat's milk to cause sickness. Also, does anyone know of any oxen that are available for donation to our farm? We have 15 acres and would like to plow using only oxen, but obviously it will be a while before Govinda dasi, the heifer, produces any offspring. We live in Riverside County, California and could pay for the transportation if it is not too expensive. We could also give a donation for the oxen. Your servant, Kesava dasi >_______ >DO YOU !? >Get your free @ address at > > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 1999 Report Share Posted March 22, 1999 > > I have been reading books on the debate of pasteurization vs. raw and > have read that it is as rare as getting struck by a meteor for raw > goat's milk to cause sickness. > I didn't notice anyone reply to this. I don't know about raw goats milk. Maybe ask on the Holistic Health conference. I did know an older couple once who milked goats. The man had really bad arithritis, until he switched from cow to goat's milk. It got better to the point where he was able to milk the goat's himself. Personally, I would never have a goat around because inevitably they always break out of whatever enclosure they are in and destroy your garden, but Krsna did have goats. > > Also, does anyone know of any oxen that are available for donation to > our farm? We have 15 acres and would like to plow using only oxen, but > obviously it will be a while before Govinda dasi, the heifer, produces > any offspring. We live in Riverside County, California and could pay > for the transportation if it is not too expensive. We could also give a > donation for the oxen. > > Your servant, > > Kesava dasi I am surprised you didn't get an answer on this one. I know NV has oxen, but probably all older as breeding has been severely curtailed for several years now, and certainly untrained. Also, shipping would probably be prohibitive, but I can check it out if you are really interested. New Talaban is a lot closer. have any oxen down there, Rohita? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 1999 Report Share Posted March 22, 1999 > > Also, does anyone know of any oxen that are available for donation to our farm? We have 15 acres and would like to plow using only oxen, but obviously it will be a while before Govinda dasi, the heifer, produces any offspring. We live in Riverside County, California and could pay for the transportation if it is not too expensive. We could also give a donation for the oxen. Madhava Gosh wrote: > New Talaban is a lot closer. have any oxen down there, Rohita? > We do have a number of untrained oxen (three and up) that you can come and look over. ys, Rohita dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 1999 Report Share Posted March 24, 1999 Madhava Gosh posted: > I have been reading books on the debate of pasteurization vs. raw and > have read that it is as rare as getting struck by a meteor for raw > goat's milk to cause sickness. > I didn't notice anyone reply to this. I don't know about raw goats milk. Maybe ask on the Holistic Health conference. I did know an older couple once who milked goats. The man had really bad arithritis, until he switched from cow to goat's milk. It got better to the point where he was able to milk the goat's himself. Radha Krsna das: I have just heard on the news that a disease called toxoplasmosis can come from Goats milk, let's ask Ugresa prabhu if he knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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