Guest guest Posted April 19, 1999 Report Share Posted April 19, 1999 Madhava Gosh prabhu-- thanks for starting this off for us. This looks like a good start. I think a very important thing would be to include a list of the cows/oxen/bulls/calves and their names and ages. Also include and changes in the list from the previous report -- births, deaths (and cause), trades, purchases, gifts, etc. Such a log would definitely spell the end of the typical excuse, " I had no idea that animals were disappearing." Now they'll have an idea. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi ******************* "COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2246807 from COM] > > Project Name > Period of Report Date of Report > GBC Contact > info > Monitor (if not by GBC) Contact info > Date of visit > > Project Contact Person > Address > > Phone# > E mail > > Attach Quarterly Finanacial statements for Cow Department and Cow/Land Trust > > Capital Expenditures or Sales during period > > Projected Cash Needs and Availability for next Quarter > > Land Available: > Land Needed for Herd Size: > > Census Total: > > Age Bulls Oxen Cows > under 1 year > 2-3 years > 4 to 12 years > over 12 years > > Standard Recommended Allowed Needs Work > > 1 > 2 > 3 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 7 > 8 > 9 > 10 > 11 > 12 > 13 > 14 > 15 > (forget how many Standards off hand) > > Comments: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 1999 Report Share Posted April 19, 1999 Hare Krsna dasi Madhava Gosh prabhu-- thanks for starting this off for us. This looks like a good start. I think a very important thing would be to include a list of the cows/oxen/bulls/calves and their names and ages. Also include and changes in the list from the previous report -- births, deaths (and cause), trades, purchases, gifts, etc. Such a log would definitely spell the end of the typical excuse, " I had no idea that animals were disappearing." Now they'll have an idea. This list need only be attached to the original (first report of the year) with additions and subtractions noted in the following reports. With names and ages should be status (milking, bred, training, working, retired, infirm). Included should also be illness, diagnosis, by whom, action taken; in the following report that that animal should be listed and any additional actions taken. There should be projected goals for year and those projected goals five years from report date. These should be attached to the original (first report of the year). Name of all persons involved in project, their duties. These reports should be kept on file on location, copies sent to GBC and Ministry. Proceeding reports be refereed to prior to GBC/Monitor’s visit so that they will be aware of the conditions upon arrival. Ys, Rohita dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 1999 Report Share Posted April 20, 1999 Lets remember that some of the devotees who have to fill out these forms might not know there ear from there arm when it comes to cows. So lets make it as friedly and logical as possiable. Once its done then give it to a GBC person and see if they can handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 1999 Report Share Posted April 20, 1999 On 20 Apr 1999, Ekadasi das wrote: Lets remember that some of the devotees who have to fill out these forms might not know there ear from there arm when it comes to cows. This taking care of cows is serious business and if someone has difficulty distinguishing minor things then our help is certainly needed. We must shoot for the rhino and help who ever has the need so that the condition of the cows improves. So lets make it as friedly and logical as possiable. The other path leads to indifference because we are afraid and abuse will become manifest if no action is taken. Is one who shows you the error and helps in a constructive way not your best friend? Is not being aware of the proper action illogical and constructive knowledge its cure? This form is in that spirit is it not. Once its done then give it to a GBC person and see if they can handle it. Do not underestimate their (GBC) ability to meet the challenge. They have assistants. If they think it is too aggressive, they will tell us. At this moment, they need an education and this is the most logical way to serve them. Ys, Rohita dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 1999 Report Share Posted April 21, 1999 "WWW: Rohita (Dasa) ACBSP (New Talavan MS - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2251327 from COM] > > On 20 Apr 1999, Ekadasi das wrote: > > Once its done then give it to a GBC person and see if they can handle > it. > > Do not underestimate their (GBC) ability to meet the challenge. They have > assistants. If they think it is too aggressive, they will tell us. At this > moment, they need an education and this is the most logical way to serve them. > > Ys, > Rohita dasa Hmmm.... But I still think it's a good idea to do a dry run with one non-farming GBC. That way he or she can tip us off to any points which are confusing so that we can re-word them. It's always good to make sure our communications are really communicating effectively. What about deadlines. My experience in the academic world at least is if there are no deadlines, the work rarely gets done. Unfortunately, we should have thought about this with the Minimum Cow Protection Standards. If these are supposed to be quarterly reports, I suggest the following January 1 March 1 July 1 October 1 That way, the first report won't be due until July 1. That gives the cowherds and the GBC plenty of time to ask any questions they have about the details. Only problem is, how shall we notify the the GBCs of the deadline? your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 1999 Report Share Posted April 21, 1999 > > > What about deadlines. My experience in the academic world at least is if there > are no deadlines, the work rarely gets done. Unfortunately, we should have > thought about this with the Minimum Cow Protection Standards. > > If these are supposed to be quarterly reports, I suggest the following > > January 1 > March 1 > July 1 > October 1 > > That way, the first report won't be due until July 1. That gives the cowherds > and > the GBC plenty of time to ask any questions they have about the details. How about due within 30 days of end of quarter, i.e. 1st quarter (Jan.,Feb, March) due April 30, etc. That gives time to prepare financial statement which can't be done until the quarter is actually finished. > > > Only problem is, how shall we notify the the GBCs of the deadline? When we mail out the forms, include a schedule of deadlines. Who is working on a mailing list of GBCs and their projects? > > > your servant, > > Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 1999 Report Share Posted April 21, 1999 "WWW: Rohita (Dasa) ACBSP (New Talavan MS - USA)" wrote: [Text 2251327 from COM] >On 20 Apr 1999, Ekadasi das wrote: > Once its done then give it to a GBC person and see if they can handle Rohita dasa Do not underestimate their (GBC) ability to meet the challenge. They have assistants. If they think it is too aggressive, they will tell us. At this moment, they need an education and this is the most logical way to serve them.> Hare Krsna dd: Hmmm.... But I still think it's a good idea to do a dry run with one non-farming GBC. That way he or she can tip us off to any points which are confusing so that we can re-word them. It's always good to make sure our communications are really communicating effectively. Comment: I have no object to that. What about deadlines. My experience in the academic world at least is if there are no deadlines, the work rarely gets done. Unfortunately, we should have thought about this with the Minimum Cow Protection Standards. If these are supposed to be quarterly reports, I suggest the following January 1 March 1 July 1 October 1 That way, the first report won't be due until July 1. That gives the cowherds and the GBC plenty of time to ask any questions they have about the details. Only problem is, how shall we notify the the GBCs of the deadline? Comment: Notification of deadlines: Beginning with July 1, I maybe presuming to much but does the ministry not have a list of all farms and whose zone they are in? By sending an e-mail to all concerned GBC along with a finished copy of the ‘form’ this can be sent out when we have a finished document, cleared as you suggest through some other GBC. In addition copies must be sent to the GBC chairman and to all farms that we have on file. Ys, Rohita dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 1999 Report Share Posted April 21, 1999 "COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2253537 from COM] > > > > > > > What about deadlines. My experience in the academic world at least is if > there > > are no deadlines, the work rarely gets done. Unfortunately, we should have > > thought about this with the Minimum Cow Protection Standards. > > > > If these are supposed to be quarterly reports, I suggest the following > > > > January 1 > > March 1 > > July 1 > > October 1 > > > > That way, the first report won't be due until July 1. That gives the > cowherds > > and > > the GBC plenty of time to ask any questions they have about the details. > > How about due within 30 days of end of quarter, i.e. 1st quarter (Jan.,Feb, > March) due April 30, etc. That gives time to prepare financial statement > which > can't be done until the quarter is actually finished. > A little confusing -- is this what you mean? Jan 30 Mar 30 July 30 Oct 30 ys hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 1999 Report Share Posted April 22, 1999 > A little confusing -- is this what you mean? > > Jan 30 > Mar 30 > July 30 > Oct 30 Those are the dates recognized in the banking world as the end of the quarter, April 1 being the first day of the second quarter. ys, Rohita dasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 1999 Report Share Posted April 22, 1999 > > > > > How about due within 30 days of end of quarter, i.e. 1st quarter (Jan.,Feb, > > March) due April 30, etc. That gives time to prepare financial statement > > which > > can't be done until the quarter is actually finished. > > > > A little confusing -- is this what you mean? > > Jan 30 > Mar 30 > July 30 > Oct 30 Yes, though that would be April 30. The quarter ends, then 30 days to prepare a financial report. > > > ys > hkdd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 1999 Report Share Posted April 22, 1999 "COM: Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" wrote: > [Text 2254891 from COM] > > > > A little confusing -- is this what you mean? > > > > Jan 30 > > Mar 30 > > July 30 > > Oct 30 > > Yes, though that would be April 30. The quarter ends, then 30 days to > prepare a financial report. So the date would be: period covered date due Oct 1- Dec 31 Jan 30 Jan 1- Mar 31 April 30 Apr 1-Jun 30 July 30 July 1-Sept 30 Oct 30 Is that right for due dates? Should one form be bigger than the others, an annual report? What date for that? I'd say April 30th. (They are all bad dates for different reasons.) your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 1999 Report Share Posted May 10, 1999 Dear prabhus. PAMHO,AGTSP. Very inspiring to see a monitoring form being drawn up for all communities. When I took over the goshalla responsibilities with a herd of 43 cows,bulls and calves, I made up a form mainly for my own use. Top of the page was a colour photo of the cow with their name. Then details such as date of birth, mother, father,nose ring, good to truck, good in crowds, sickness, T.B. tested + dates, particular quirks, breeding, showing, broken into harness, milking history, litres of milk etc. We also recorded date of death and detailed reasons. Over the years, this is giving us a very good picture of average ages as per breed etc, something that is not available from the karmis. They can give ages for cats and dogs but never allow cows and bulls to live a full life. Hope these comments are of use. Y.S Ananta Krsna Dasi Auckland, NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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