the matrix

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right now i'm working on the sixth floor of a twenty-one story office

building. there are a hundred people i don't know that work for the same

company i do (and i doubt any of us knows who profits from our work).

 

outside there are rivers of cars which flow all day long, and the riverbanks

are teeming with strangers entangled in the three modes of material nature.

 

i take the bus. some ride bikes. a few may live nearby, but most everybody

drives.

 

how is it that the earth can provide the energy, the synthetic materials, the

natural resources, etc. for all these cars to drive everybody to work?

 

rhetorical question, in case you hadn't a guest. that's my point. the earth

doesn't provide all that energy, and there isn't enough energy for everybody

to drive to work without impoverishing another side of the planet in the

process. the pollution and the poverty kill people just like us. we are

literally killing ourselves. what is the term srila prabhupada uses in the

krishna book? atma-ha? the killer of the soul or self--the meat-eater.

 

we need to educate people to the economic and environmental advantages of ox

carts over fossil fuel wagons. i know it's retro, but humans can not survive

when the dinosaurs of industry are preying on us. if we want them to go

extinct instead of us, we must get together, create the right vibration,

become determined, and pray that krishna protects us as we fight the demons

who are attacking vrindavana.

 

by the way, today i registered www.cowprotection.com and

www.krishnaconsciousness.com -- somehow i see that computers are not the way

to go and part of the same demoniac system, but i couldn't resist. i guess i'm

in the grid right now.

 

anyone see the matrix? that's what it's like, but instead of 1s and 0s its

goodness, passion, and ignorance.

 

rpd

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> how is it that the earth can provide the energy, the synthetic materials, the

> natural resources, etc. for all these cars to drive everybody to work?

 

Since the beginning of creation, the demons and the demigods, or the Vaisnavas,

are always the two classes of living beings to dominate the planets of the

universes. Lord Brahma is the first demigod, and Hiranyaksa is the first demon

in

this universe. Only under certain conditions do the planets float as weightless

balls in the air, and as soon as these conditions are disturbed, the planets

may

fall down in the Garbhodaka Ocean, which covers half the universe. The other

half

is the spherical dome within which the innumerable planetary systems exist. The

floating of the planets in the weightless air is due to the inner constitution

of

the globes, and the modernized drilling of the earth to exploit oil from within

is

a sort of disturbance by the modern demons and can result in a greatly harmful

reaction to the floating condition of the earth. A similar disturbance was

created

formerly by the demons headed by Hiranyaksa (the great exploiter of the gold

rush), and the earth was detached from its weightless condition and fell down

into

the Garbhodaka Ocean. The Lord, as maintainer of the whole creation of the

material world, therefore assumed the gigantic form of a boar with a

proportionate

snout and picked up the earth from within the water of Garbhodaka. Sri Jayadeva

Gosvami, the great Vaisnava poet, sang as follows:

 

>>> Ref. VedaBase => SB 2.7.1

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Dear Madhava Gosh:

 

Can you explain the meaning of your name?

 

Maybe bicycling to San Diego (Govinda's Garden herd size: 10) would be a

good way to train for a bicycle journey from L.A. to New Vrindaban. Of

course bicycles don't grow on trees, and, even if they did, i'm not

growing any trees in sunny Los Angeles. No matter how I travel, whether

by boat or by horse, there's an environmental cost.

 

So what's the formula for figuring out what that cost is, and how do I

pay it back? I think that cow protection and tree planting (admittedly a

pious activity) are major factors in this equation. Right now, we're all

in deficit. A Vaishnava, however, leaves a place better than he/she found

it.

 

By planting trees, the earth is able to capture the sun's energy and

store it in the form of trees. The energy in those trees eventually gets

deposited in the earth's own treasury. The robber oil barons plunder the

earth's banks to steal her wealth.

 

This is, of course, where the Hiranyaksha story comes in. Thank you for

refreshing my random-access memory.

 

Who's got a list of all the protected cows and bulls in the U.S.? Does

ISCOWP have a certificate of some sort--a declaration regarding a

protected cow? Because, as I said, I don't want to ingest any dairy

products unless those dairy products are from protected cows.

 

Now that there are standards, are there licenses, fees, checkups,

benefits, etc. of following those standards?

 

Anyway, my consumption of dairy products isn't the point, cow protection

for the pleasure of Guru, Gauranga, and Gopal is. A system of

accreditation could make the value of the "special" dairy products much

higher--especially as more and more people insist that their dairy

products be produced without violence.

 

Just as we are so eager to gather dairy products from the cow, her blood

transformed, the demoniac tendency is to take the blood before it's

transformed. The essence of te Bhagavad-gita is "To satisfy Krishna's

senses instead of our own." If we allow the cow and earth to transform

their oils so that we can gather them without violence, perhaps balance

to the ego system can be restored.

 

I hope no one minds my off-the-cuff ridiculous writing style. I

especially hope that no one takes offense. I'm just trying to explore new

avenues of thought.

 

I also don't go to the L.A. temple much any more, and cow protection is

not present there, so this gives me a chance to devotees who share my

enthusiasm for cow

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"WWW: Ram Prasad (Dasa) (?)" wrote:

 

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> Dear Madhava Gosh:

>

> Can you explain the meaning of your name?

 

One who sings the praises of the Husband of the Goddess of Fortune.

 

>

> Who's got a list of all the protected cows and bulls in the U.S.? Does

> ISCOWP have a certificate of some sort--a declaration regarding a

> protected cow? Because, as I said, I don't want to ingest any dairy

> products unless those dairy products are from protected cows.

 

Well, the theoretical basis for reporting by GBC's on every farm in their

zone has been passed into law by the GBC itself, but reporting is sparse to

date.

 

>

>

> Now that there are standards, are there licenses, fees, checkups,

> benefits, etc. of following those standards?

 

Not really. Need some administrator type ksatriyas to step up and actually

apply them.

 

>

>

> Anyway, my consumption of dairy products isn't the point, cow protection

> for the pleasure of Guru, Gauranga, and Gopal is. A system of

> accreditation could make the value of the "special" dairy products much

> higher--especially as more and more people insist that their dairy

> products be produced without violence.

 

The reality currently is that overbreeding on most farms has put us in a

position of caring for lots of cows and not getting a lot of milk. At NV,

it has started to come more into balance. Milking 8, feeding 200. We

guesstimate that at steady state, breeding 5 a year will require caring for

minimum of 50 animals.

 

Although I do buy some karmi milk, and it is unequivocally inferior from a

health perspective, I do keep 4 cows from the temple, for about 6 months a

year on my property and count them everyday. I feel that this is offsetting

and purifying for the karma of the purchased milk.

 

I believe that as the protected cows cannot compete economically with karmi

cows, subsidizing will be required. If devotees living where there is no

actual protected milk would pay into Trust funds that have as beneficiaries

cow protection programs, they can purify their purchased milk and help biuld

the land and capital bases necessary for eventually increasing production

while simultaneously insuring lifetime protection for all cows bred and

their off spring.