Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 Most books I have seen recommend not using humanure on "edible root or leaf crops" (The toilet papers.) Is humanure compost made with the Indore method safe to use? Do you know anything about the Berkely Method? From what I have read it is the fastest method of composting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 In a message dated 2/28/00 2:08:21 AM US Mountain Standard Time, Krsnendu.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: > > Most books I have seen recommend not using humanure on "edible root or > leaf > crops" (The toilet papers.) Is humanure compost made with the Indore method > safe to use? > > Do you know anything about the Berkely Method? From what I have read it is > the fastest method of composting. > No I have not heard about the Berkley method. What is done and how to speed up the composting process?????? Inquiring minds want to know? It is my understanding that any method of composting that gets hot enough to kill all the fungi, worms, and bacteria I think 132oF for three days is safe to place in your gardens and the resulting produce is safe and nourishing to eat. Raw sewage placed on crops (Human stool et) is defiantly not safe! It still has all the bacteria and worms and STUFF you never want to catch. Properly composted waste is clean more or less odorless and is excellent for food crops. It is safe, and less we get the various compost gurus squabbling like children in a nursery school. The purpose of composting human stool is (1) to produce good safe compost (2) to not waist a valuable resources (3) to prevent the waste of excess water and to reduce to pollution of our streams, waterways and aquifers. The secret of safe compost is producing a high temperature and maintaining it for long enough to kill any dangerous organisms. AIDS for instance will die outside a host (human) in seconds. Some, poop from strong healthy people has almost no disease pathogens. But it still isn't safe because weaker people may be able to contract illness very easily that wouldn't hurt healthy people. The necessary temp to break down most organic material is between 157oF to 170oF (77oC) So no matter what you are composting if UN sure get one of those big long thermometers and stick it in your compost pile and keep records of the temp. That alone will make the compost safe. Human poop is not a hot manure but it can fairly easily be kept at the correct temp especially if you throw in some kitchen scraps so more air can get in and do its thing. When it has finished "cooking" it is just "Dirt! " compost that can be used on all of your crops with safety. Though there are many different methods the object of these methods is to kill bacteria, fungus and worms and any other nasty that might be lurking in your compost pile. From what I have read almost all do the job with great success. The method and ease of handling the raw product is mostly the issue, and the time it takes. Some processes take two to three years! With many of the processes it is ease and no hassles that the user wants. I personally have used the humanure method to good effect. I am about to try the Satvik potty I will report back when I have a big enough pile to test. But guys remember inspite of all the hype. Temperature is the critical ingredient. That's why I like Biogas. To produce the gas it has to get hot enough to cook the bacteria. That is good enough for me! That way I get away from the thermometer and shoveling from one pile to the other, (great exercise but time consuming) Just add poop water and stir till a creamy texture has occurred. Pop on the lid and in ten days you got gas baby. Gas for the next three months! Then roll the barrel out into the garden and open the top and out goes essentially sterile liquid gold..... well, black stuff. It is more or less odorless smells a little swampy to me. My plants go into hyper drive whenever I pour it on the rows. For those of you interested in Human compost. A study in Sweden on one composting toilet indicates a single person can produce 60 LB (approximately 30 K) of fertilizer per year! Wouldn't you have liked to had the grant to do that study? here:-) Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2000 Report Share Posted March 2, 2000 >I am about to try >the Satvik potty I will report back when I have a big enough pile to test. Any heap that you build for this system I find must be at least four feet square, then it will build up in temperature. The reason for turning is to ensure all the stuff on the outside gets turned into the inside so cooking is complete, destroying fly larvae etc. In England leading scientists are determining that it is not advisable to place even animal manure on to crops that may have eadible leaves that may be touched by the manure. There is risk of Ecoli.......... Hence the necessity of thorough composting. Human effluent correctly placed in an Indore style heap from a Satvik Indore Toilet in it's Biodegradable bag is offenceless in 10 days and is virtually undetectable by the first turn. If one person produces 30kg in a year then how much work is this to turn such a small amount. I have been asked to make a 30 minute presentation to the Technical Advisors of 'Water Aid' in June, as they are very interested in a sewage system that is not affected by flood disaster areas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2000 Report Share Posted March 3, 2000 In a message dated 3/2/00 3:50:21 PM US Mountain Standard Time, Radha.Krsna.ACBSP.GB (AT) pamho (DOT) net writes: > > >I am about to try > >the Satvik potty I will report back when I have a big enough pile to test. > > Any heap that you build for this system I find must be at least four feet > square, then it will build up in temperature. > Say, guys are you implying that I am full of Poop?????? Well, in that case thank you for the compliment, It is nice to know that I can fill a four foot square in a hurry. I resemble that last remark of yours. Poopie yours Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2000 Report Share Posted March 3, 2000 > I have been asked to make a 30 minute presentation to the Technical > Advisors of 'Water Aid' in June, as they are very interested in a sewage > system that is not affected by flood disaster areas. Why dont you make a video presentation of your system? I think it would be an excellent marketing tool, and would dispel a lot of doubts, as well as create more favourable interest. I would certainly purchase one. It should show th composting method, and the toilet itself, etc. YS Samba das Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2000 Report Share Posted March 6, 2000 I would like to have my name removed from this conference. thanks, Sdhutia >"Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius)" <Samba.SDG (AT) pamho (DOT) net> >"Samba (das) SDG (Mauritius)" <Samba.SDG (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, >Practical.Varnasrama (AT) pamho (DOT) net, Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net, >Self-sufficiency.&.Survival (AT) pamho (DOT) net, >Agriculture.and.the.Environment (AT) pamho (DOT) net, >Sewage.and.Water.Treatment (AT) pamho (DOT) net >DGilsen (AT) aol (DOT) com, "Agriculture and the Environment" ><Agriculture.and.the.Environment (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, "Cow (Protection and >related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, "Practical Varnasrama" ><Practical.Varnasrama (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, "Self-sufficiency & Survival" ><Self-sufficiency.&.Survival (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, "Sewage and Water Treatment" ><Sewage.and.Water.Treatment (AT) pamho (DOT) net> >Re: Thermophylic composting of humanure >Fri, 3 Mar 00 10:09 +0530 > > > I have been asked to make a 30 minute presentation to the Technical > > Advisors of 'Water Aid' in June, as they are very interested in a sewage > > system that is not affected by flood disaster areas. > >Why dont you make a video presentation of your system? I think it would be >an excellent marketing tool, and would dispel a lot of doubts, as well as >create more favourable interest. > >I would certainly purchase one. It should show th composting method, and >the >toilet itself, etc. > >YS Samba das ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2000 Report Share Posted March 8, 2000 >It is nice to know that I can fill a four foot >square in a hurry. For a one woman show it may be difficult, but keep on building up the heap. It should be of so many other ingredients, not necessarily much stool. Fungus growth will develop in 10 days from when you START building the heap, if the moisture content is correct.ie. less than 50 per cent.before the first turn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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