Guest guest Posted February 23, 2000 Report Share Posted February 23, 2000 Thankyou, Rama Prasad for expressing concern of this disgusting abuse, and Hare Krsna for describing some root causes. >>Widespread cow protection will never be possible in India or in ISKCON until the leaders of society realize that cow abuse is a natural by-product of materialistist social and economic arrangements. But If we judge our advancement in terms of materialistic advancement, then we go that path ourselves. We can manage to spend x millions on breathtaking temples around India, but is it mainly to enhance our false prestige, or to only glorify Krsna? If it was to please Krsna that was foremost on the minds of our leaders, then WHY can't the leaders give this crisis a second thought: this is not just slaughter, this is prolonged torture preceding it. Narada Muni could not stand it, why should we tolerate? Why should it be left to smaller, non-devotee groups like PETA to give a damn? When we have the inspired words of Narada that it is by far more sinful to torture an animal to death than to kill it outright? That by far the most sinful of animal slaughter is cow slaughter? Or is only the non-devotee "demons" who listen to the voice of conscience which is the supersoul guiding from within, and do all in their power to stop the age of Kali? But since it is the Age of Quarrel and HYPOCRISY it is not surprising that so-called non-devotees will do more to curtail demoniac activity, than the "I am perfect, powerful and happy, so much success I have today..."-type of "devotee". We prefer to condemn them as "humanitarian", but was Narada humanitarian with Mrgrari's victims, was Pariksit humanitarian with Kali's victim, was the reformed Mrgrari humanitarian with even the ants? Hare Krsna dasi, if you value varnasrama as the solution, you are correct if it goes more than designation and becomes an OBLIGATION TO DUTY. . It will mean that those who are ksatriyas will become like death personified to those who heartlessly abuse innocent animals. It means that they are guided by a sense of right and wrong, by conscience, and are totally intolerant of cruelty. I hope I'm wrong and PETA is getting baraged by offers to help from devotees and temple leaders. I hope those Government officers with whom we are friendly enough to invite to our ceremonies, are being brought to task by our leaders for allowing this to go on- We should not just flatter them to win their support and enhance our prestige, but we should put on pressure through our enormous following in India, that this is intolerable. Real ksatriyas feel responsible for all living things in their kingdom, not just their family members. Think of Sibi and Rantideva. You are right about the root cause being sentimentality towards cow protection and the crying need for at least one example how it works. However such a program will take years (some say generations). Even without it, though we should not be callous to the plight of these cows, and nor should we become discouraged. We can take it as an opportunity to stop it with solutions that will last. Such as educating the people of India with books like "Dung is Gold Mine" which show them that they lose out terribly even in a material sense, by selling their old cows and bullocks. We can take it as an opportunity to replace their sentimentality-to-cow-protection-but-real-faith-in-aping-the-west, with real-faith-in-cow-protection-and-disregard-for-the-west. We can through pressure on the government and people of India, that it is in their best interest to stop this malpractice and that we will not tolerate it even if they disagree, that there will be ramifications- loss of votes- that we will join forces with PETA and so on. Or we can meditate on Krsna's pastimes with the gopis and let the cows go to hell, literally. Personally, if we don't give a damn, I hardly think we're qualified? ys, niscala As long as leaders of India and leaders of ISKCON continue in their assumptions that all that is required for cow protection to take place is just proper sentiment -- they are in maya. This idea of adjusting sentiment to attain spiritual advancement is one of the fundamental attractions of the sahajiya school. When we in ISKCON inadvertently give support to such ideas, we should not be surprised when devotees leave ISKCON and join some other group, in which they purportedly will recieve their rasa lila identification. Sahajiya philosophy and cow abuse are two different manifestations of the same problem: a failure to recognize that spiritual progress comes not by changing our sentiment but by engaging our material nature in such a way that it will lead to a conversion of our material consciousness into spiritual consciousness. That is what true varnasrama is about. And that is a central message of the Bhagavad-gita. Arjuna had the nature of a ksatriya. Krsna did not tell Arjuna to imagine his pastimes with the gopis. Rather, Krsna told Arjuna to take up his arrows and kill the leaders of government who were inimical to Krsna. When Arjuna used his material nature to engage in that very practical task under the direction of Krsna, he immediately came to the spiritual platform, elevated beyond his material nature. A simpler analogy. I have a car, which is material. I can say that I am "transcendental" to my material car, and sit at home and imagine that I am a gopi. Or, I can acknowledge that even though my car is material, I can use its nature (the ability to travel fast) to take me to a temple and chant Hare Krsna with the devotees. If I use my car's material nature in that way, I will actually come to the spiritual platform. But, all this leads back to the problem that cow abuse is a product of a material culture. As long as we pretend that we are too "transcendental" to examine the nature of our material culture and see where its problems lie, it will never be possible to establish widespread cow protection -- either in India or in ISKCON. Our material culture is capitalism. Capitalism means maximizing sense gratification. One of the ultimate means of maximizing sense gratification is cow slaughter. Thus cow slaughter is an ultimate emblem of capitalism. Even sociologists and economists acknowledge the Golden Arches of the McDonald Hamburger-worship temples to be markers indicating the conquest of capitalism. Capitalism means no protection for the small farmer. The less profitable farmer will eventually be wiped out. By-words to rationalize the extermination of the small farmer are "comparative advantage,economy of scale," and "excess capacity." When the farmer who sells his cows to slaughter becomes more profitable than his neighbor, who feeds and cares for his elderly cows and oxen, then the cow slaughtering farmer will wipe out the cow protecting farmer. This is a very natural fact of capitalism. One important fact of attempting cow protection is that it should point out to us the evils of our present system, and inspire us to try to overcome those evils. Really, these are problems which should be addressed by the brahmanas and ksatriyas (if we had any ksatriyas) of our society. They are problems which require good brains to be educated and analyze the problem. But as long as those brains are wasted contemplating how to increase the gross domestic product, or conversely, how many gopis can dance on the head of a pin -- then it will never be possible to have widespread cow protection in India or in ISKCON. ********************************* What is the solution to all this? Certainly we cannot change a whole country or even the whole of ISKCON overnight. Srila Prabhupada gives us a very clear hint: (March 1974) "Establish a small unit of ideal community." On one hand, every community should study Srila Prabhupada's instructions on varnasrama. On the other hand, we should focus our efforts to produce a small model of the non-capitalistic varnasrama community which Srila Prabhupada proposes in his instructions to us. Once we have the education and social structure in place in that small community, then that example will be so attractive that more people will join us. "Practically attract, practically attract. By your practical example, they will be attracted." Not by training them how to adjust their sentiment. The reason cow protection cannot be practiced in ISKCON or in India is because it is not a sentimental thing. It starts with practical action. We are lazy. We prefer to think that we are transcendental to practical action: Let me go count how many gopis can dance on the head of a pin. Let me not waste my time by reading Srila Prabhupada's instructions on varnasrama. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Reply Reply All ForwardDeletePreviousNextClose (Move to Selected Folder)InboxSent MessagesDraftsTrash Can Inbox Compose Addresses Folders Options Help Get notified when you have new Hotmail or when your friends are on-line. Send instant messages. Click here to get your FREE download of MSN Messenger Service! To meet new friends at the new MSN Chat, click here. © 2000 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Terms of Service Privacy Statement ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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