A History of Blaming Anyone But Me

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> Let me tell you something, prabhu. In almost every case of child abuse,

> you had middle managers in ISKCON down where their noses could have

> sniffed it out, middle managers like temple presidents, vice presidents,

> temple commanders, treasurers, board members, etc., who had the pulse of

> the temple, and who failed to act responsibly. You had devotees turning

> their backs, parents ignoring the pleas of their children, temple

> presidents doing damage control, husbands and wives abandoning their

> responsibilities to jump to another sex partner, etc.

 

 

This is no excuse. In fact it is only a further condemnation of the

mismanagement of the so-called "leaders". And it paints a very bad picture

of the reality of ISKCON AP where the majority of members were guilty of

such abuses. It doesn't say much for the program that ISKCON AP has so

proudly hailed as superior to "those dirty karmis" all the time.

 

When I was a member of ISKCON and I saw even a hint of spousal abuse or

women abuse I would interject immediately with physical force if necessary.

Several times I went face to face with an abusive husband or brahmacari and

made it painfully clear of the consequences they could suffer as the result

of their abusive actions. I am not an apathetic person. I was temple

commander of one of the biggest temples in the movement (Brooklyn) and I was

a brahmacari at the time. Others were devious and abusive to the

brahmacarinis but I still had to make sure they had their supplies of

feminine hygiene articles, toilet paper, cleaning supplies, etc. for their

asrama handing them out personally to the women with respect and

gentlemanliness. It is not a hard thing to do. But the mind has to at least

be out of the gutter of pretentious "advancement" and admit to low born

qualities with humility and truth.

 

This is what I saw the greatest lack of in the so-called leaders at the

time. I presume the same disease is rampant in your ISKCON AP now.

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Prabhu It is not a joke to throw these accusations around like you are the

white knight. If you have a problem, the simply chant Hare Krishna. That

is the method of becoming purified. Who are you to go around lambasting

everyone like you are owed some type of special prerogrative. I have taken

care of cows for many years of my life and they have saved this fallen soul

by the grace of Srila Prabhupada. but quite frankly your type of help the

cows don't need. You need to first learn to respect and love others, then

if Krishna actually puts you in a position to do some service in the

manegerial level then you will be prepared. Until then why are you simply

so offensive in the way you approach ISKCON and its management. I just

don't get it. It is only creating more disease if one simply blasphemes.

It will not help. Please jus stop.

 

YS

Dvibhujha das

 

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Saturday, February 26, 2000 9:40 AM

A History of Blaming Anyone But Me

 

 

>> Why do we only point at the GBC, ignoring the perpetrators themselves and

>> their immediate superiors?

>

>

>I can only take the words of others who have made it quite clear that the

>GBCs and other leaders who hold fiscal and legislative authority have not

>been actively supportive of attempts to correct abuses. Take the cows for

>example. How many cows have been abused? Hundreds? Then sincere vaisyas

like

>Balabhadra, M.Gosh and many others take great care and time to develop

>standards to correct the abuses and get laws passed which are by and large

>ignored and abused by the same so-called leaders. This is not honor. It is

>childish immaturity perpetrated by "adults" which makes it tantamount to

>criminality. They do not have the mental strength to see what things should

>be prioritized.

>

>

>How long do you tolerate such behavior? Another 20 years?

>

>

>> I find your complaints a little disingenuous,

>> and I feel pretty sure that Krishna will fulfill your desire to stay away

>> from the Vaishnavas

>

>

>Typical ISKCON AP response. As if Vaisnava association can only be gotten

in

>ISKCON AP and from "living" Vaisnavas only. Vaisnavas die, right Prabhu?

>Your ignorance really shows through with such statements. I can't associate

>with Prabhupada, Arjuna, Rupa Gosani, Bhisma, etc., etc., anymore, right

>Prabhu? I can't associate with devotees because I am outside of ISKCON AP?

>What impertinence and arrogance. Actually I shouldn't get so upset because

>it is simple ignorance. Fortunately, I also have many Vaisnava friends

>outside of ISKCON AP who are quite helpful and friendly.

>

>"It is sometimes misunderstood that if one has to associate with persons

>engaged in devotional service, he will not be able to solve the economic

>problem. To answer this argument, it is described here that one has to

>associate with liberated persons not directly, physically, but by

>understanding, through philosophy and logic, the problems of life." S.B.

>3.31.48.

>

>

>> Unfortunately, instead of rolling up your sleeves and throwing

>> in your lot with them to solve the problems, you'll sit outside,

>> daydreaming about varnashrama and complaining about the lack of it. It's

>> getting old, Janesvara, really old.

>

>Actually you are right about this. I am not a member of ISKCON AP and I

>really do not have a right to identify with it in terms of saying "we"

>should do this or that. I certainly can't claim any rights to the good

>things that might be going on either. I will try to be more careful in my

>comments from hereon and direct my comments as an outsider looking in. This

>may help me to become a little less critical and more objective. Thank you

>for reminding me of this.

>

>

>I AM a member of the Krsna consciousness movement however, of which ISKCON

>AP can lay no claim as its sole purveyor as it likes to imagine most of the

>time.

>

>As a member of the Krsna consciousness movement I certainly have a right to

>express my freedom of speech and opinions as to how I think ISKCON AP is

>contributing to the dishonor of the Krsna consciousness movement and I will

>continue to do so.

>