Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 <<Dwibhuja's worried that Janeshwar will make an offense and ruin his and our spiritual lives. Janeshwar's worried that the GBC are making offenses to the children, cows, women, and men of ISKCON, and their lives will be ruined. Pancha Tattva wants to express his heartfelt appreciation for the wonderful gift of Krishna Consciousness that ISKCON (not "in spite of," but "because of" the leaders) has bestowed upon him. Good to have you on the conference so that we can keep our consciousness where it should be... maybe it's a little exercise in positive thinking tho... <<since Janeshwar won't change, hopefully the society will and varnashram will be implemented. Jaya ! Everyone has something to contribute... it just a matter of appriciating it and giving it the right place in the puzzle... <<i want to share a definition of love thanks << Janeshwara Prabhu is sharing his realizations with us, and who has the pride to deny his contributions and chastise him? i thank him for sharing his realizations Perhaps it is because you appriciate his input and some don't ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 On 28 Feb 2000, Martin wrote: > So let us have a simple rule. Don't use the leaders of ISKCON as a > scapegoat. If anyone has a valid criticism and feels moved to put it > forward. By all means. But the rule should be specific names and times Specific names and times is worse, in my opinion, because then the reputation of the devotee questioned is tarnished whereas everyone has to accept the collective karma of the groups they belong to. just like i'm an american human being on the planet earth. i can be criticized for being a wasteful, foolish american, a member of a species which is ruining the planet for everybody, on a planet which is not even worthy of the demigods. then i'm a hare krishna (sometimes i'm embarrassed to admit it because i feel that hare krishnas have a bad reputation). i'm caucasian, etc. etc. criticism based on groups, etc. are not that difficult to take. when someone starts throwing my name about and attributing guilt and blame, then i may feel more inclined to respond and defend my actions. there are always two sides to every story, and it's not fair to cast a negative light on someone without inviting them to respond. if someone, however, expresses their opinion about how the brain or arms of the social body should act, what's the problema? Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 So let us have a simple rule. Don't use the leaders of ISKCON as a scapegoat. If anyone has a valid criticism and feels moved to put it forward. By all means. But the rule should be specific names and times and then they should say who they are and why they feel obliged to bring up this issue in this way. Otherwise persons who claim to be cowherders or friends of the cows can use this forum for the purpose of blasphemy which is never to be tolerated by Vaisnavas, even the new age ones. YS Dvibhuja das WWW: Ram Prasad (Dasa) (?) <ramprasad (AT) com (DOT) org> Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:40 PM love is to listen to >suggestion: > >if you read an e-mail text and find the text offensive, go to the next >one. similarly, if someone says something offensive to you, leave or walk >away. > >when i see 7 texts on the cow protection conference, i get excited >because i think the devotees are sharing their enthusiasm for protecting >cows. it's disheartening to see that the texts are merely the conference >police cracking down on an offender. after sifting through it all, the >word "jaya" does not come to mind. "why?" is more like it. >-- > >having said that, i want to share a definition of love which i expressed >prior to reading Shrila Prabhupada's books: "love is to listen to." >consciousness is the only possession of the soul, and when we focus that >consciousness on someone, we are giving them all we have--that is love. >the first process of bhakti is hearing. Janeshwara Prabhu is sharing his >realizations with us, and who has the pride to deny his contributions and >chastise him? i thank him for sharing his realizations with us and >encourage him to share more. > >having said that, i felt his initial text might have been better suited >for the varnashram conference, which i do not to. i remember >years ago when i was a r to that conference that Janeshwar >regularly contributed articles in the same tone. since Janeshwar won't >change, hopefully the society will and varnashram will be implemented. >then maybe we'll get to see another side of Janeshwar, the one who cares >deeply about women, cows, and children. > >i know in that sense that we're all on the same side, but expressing it >in different ways. Dwibhuja's worried that Janeshwar will make an offense >and ruin his and our spiritual lives. Janeshwar's worried that the GBC >are making offenses to the children, cows, women, and men of ISKCON, and >their lives will be ruined. Pancha Tattva wants to express his heartfelt >appreciation for the wonderful gift of Krishna Consciousness that ISKCON >(not "in spite of," but "because of" the leaders) has bestowed upon him. >okay, we understand. Now let's talk about cows. > >a cow is of the bovine ilk >from one > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 If you are embarrased to tell people you are a Hare Krishna, then you probably either are suffering from a complex from book distribution so maybe you could sue ISKCON leaders for not giving you a healthy reputation like the mooonies have. After all they have respectable shrimping business etc and they are all good family people. These Hare Krishna's just want to sell books, and always try to convert everybody, They don't even eat their cows. They are brainwashed, right. . The reason this discussion is going on at all is people who don't even really do anything for cow protection have designated themselves the ones who will be the critics of ISKCON. I have complained in the past about it. I am just about to the point of giving up. Where is the authority on this conference. Can anyone just say anything about ISKCON and you don't even have to verify it. It has become a haven for those souls who choose to decry our movement. I am mostly a reader if something useful might come along to maybe help in our service. I see that the most things coming now are simply snakes who don't give a fig about ISKCON, they have a agenda to destroy ISKCON and claim Oh, I had to do it. I did it for your own good. I for one will sign off and let everyone that I know that the cow conference is now not meant for any good work just full of dissilusioned droputs who want to blame the GBC for everyhting with absolutely nothing to back up except inuendos etc. I want to serve Mother cow in Prabhupada's ISKCON under the auspicies of Srila Prabhupadas's GBC. I think that is what this cow conference is for. Not to try and discredit ISKCON. Am I wrong? If so can you please let me know so I can remove my name from a conference where this open blasphemy of devotees who have dedicated their lives to the propogation of the holy names is tolerated and even supported. I can't beleive the wonderful devotees who set up this confernce wanted this to happen. It is not even close to constructive discussion, it is open warfare and the GBC snf leaders being saintly are not about to set in defending themselves. I can't stand to hear it though. Am I the only one that sees this stuff coming from Niscala,Ramprasad,Dirk etc. I mean blashphempy is serious spiritual stuff and therefore we have to at least speak out against the gross transgressions on a devotee conference. It is not closeminded. It is actually open minded with love and trust in ISKCON and Srila Prabhupada's message. It pains me to hear it and so this is my last request. Then I will gladly just write to souls who really are more likely to listen to me anyway. YS Dvibhuja das WWW: Ram Prasad (Dasa) (?) <ramprasad (AT) com (DOT) org> Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Monday, February 28, 2000 5:30 PM Re: love is to listen to >On 28 Feb 2000, Martin wrote: > >> So let us have a simple rule. Don't use the leaders of ISKCON as a >> scapegoat. If anyone has a valid criticism and feels moved to put it >> forward. By all means. But the rule should be specific names and times > >Specific names and times is worse, in my opinion, because then the reputation >of the devotee questioned is tarnished whereas everyone has to accept the >collective karma of the groups they belong to. just like i'm an american human >being on the planet earth. i can be criticized for being a wasteful, foolish >american, a member of a species which is ruining the planet for everybody, on >a planet which is not even worthy of the demigods. > >then i'm a hare krishna (sometimes i'm embarrassed to admit it because i feel >that hare krishnas have a bad reputation). i'm caucasian, etc. etc. > >criticism based on groups, etc. are not that difficult to take. when someone >starts throwing my name about and attributing guilt and blame, then i may feel >more inclined to respond and defend my actions. there are always two sides to >every story, and it's not fair to cast a negative light on someone without >inviting them to respond. if someone, however, expresses their opinion about >how the brain or arms of the social body should act, what's the problema? > >Ram > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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