Guest guest Posted November 27, 1999 Report Share Posted November 27, 1999 "CIS: (Rostov) Congregation" wrote: > [Text 2810955 from COM] > > [Text 202141 from CIS] > > Dear Maharaja, > Dear devotees, please accept our obeisances. All glories to Srila > Prabhupada. > > Could you kindli instruct us in the following matter: what shall we do with > more and more calves, born by our cow every year. We have no opportunity to > keep many cows, for in our place there is no much grass. What to do? What > are other farmers do? What did Srila Prabhupada said on this issue? What is > an experience in this area? > > Thank you very much in advance, > devotee-farmers of Kurjinovo (South Russia) Stop breeding immediately before it is too late! This breeding yearly has been proven disastourous in so many projects. Get heritage breeds of cows, that continue to give some small amount of milk for many years, and only breed a cow say twice in her lifetime. Have you read the Cow Minimum Standards? Much of this is laid out there, although not in detail of all the sad experiences that lead to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 1999 Report Share Posted November 28, 1999 Dear devotee-farmers of Kurjinovo (South Russia), PAMHO. AGTSP. - CIS: (Rostov) Congregation <Congregation (AT) cis (DOT) bbt.se> COM: (Bhakti Brnga) Govinda Swami <Govinda.Swami (AT) bbt (DOT) se>; COM: Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se> Friday, November 26, 1999 9:27 PM > [Text 2810955 from COM] > > [Text 202141 from CIS] > > Dear Maharaja, > Dear devotees, please accept our obeisances. All glories to Srila > Prabhupada. > > Could you kindli instruct us in the following matter: what shall we do with > more and more calves, born by our cow every year. We have no opportunity to > keep many cows, for in our place there is no much grass. What to do? What > are other farmers do? What did Srila Prabhupada said on this issue? What is > an experience in this area? > > Thank you very much in advance, > devotee-farmers of Kurjinovo (South Russia) We are enclosing the the Minimum Cow Protection Standards which are ISKCON Law 507 and the GBC Report Form in a seperate e-mail. There is a section on breeding in the Standards which explains breeding according to the carrying capacity of the land. Please refer also to the glossary. The GBC Report forms should be filled out quarterly by the GBC or a GBC appointed Monitor who ideally is not connected to the cow protection program.A copy should be sent to this Ministry, a copy saved for your files, and a copy for the GBC. Overbreeding (breeding numbers beyond the carrying capacity of the land) has been at the foundation of cow abuse within ISKCON. When there are too many cows, each cow can not be taken care of properly and neglect begins which develops into cow abuse. Most of the ISKCON Farms have either totally stopped breeding or minimized breeding according to the carrying capacity of the land. We advise you analyze the local carrying capacity of the land and make a plan as to how many and how often you can breed. In addition, the bull calves born will become a burden if they are not engaged in ox power. What are your plans for them? We look forward to your participation in this conference as there are devotees in this conference who can help you with their experience. Your servant, Balabhadra das Minister for Cow Protection and Agriculture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 I wished that for one time when something like this happens you could actually bring it to the attention of Balabadra, instead of just trying to use some horror story to enhance your white knight image. What was the last farm your were at. How long were you there. How long have you taken care of cows. What exactly do you do for cows. Do you milk, make the hay, feed the calves. work oxen. Or are you just a concerned helper which is very much appreciated. I hope you aren't just one of those persons who have some agend and therefore blashpheme ISKCON using the cows as a front. I have seen a few of those in my time. YS Dvibhuja das Noelene Hawkins <niscala99 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Cow (Protection and related issues) <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Sunday, February 27, 2000 8:10 PM >Dear Dirk, > >Thanks for your encouragement. > > >>>Do great souls ever speak pleasingly ? No, they decry 'injustice' >BOLDLY for the welfare of all. Their live is a lonely & rocky road ! Great >souls offer everything and usually loose it aswell... we should follow in >their footsteps according to our capacities. But, don't expect to be liked >and supported, cause that means you would already have lost the battle from >the very start ! > >The problems of cow abuse are simply symptoms of a deeper problem in Iskcon- >that we are feeding our anarthas rather than identifying them and rooting >them out. After the xth time of trying to deal on a rational basis with >managers on issues of the cow abuse in their zone, I am consistently finding >a great deal of lack of concern with the cows on their part, and a great >deal of emphasis being placed on image and prestige. On the last farm I was >on they would not have the cows treated by a vet because it would give them >a bad image to let a karmi vet see them- these animals had huge abscesses on >their faces, the size of footballs. "Word might get around!", so instead the >animals were left to die slowly, in great pain and out of sight. Then we >advertise our fat healthy ones, preach about adopt-a-cow, go-seva, go-dhana, > and get donations which are used to renovate our private residences. These >are all facts.In the last drought we had, the old cows were starving despite >ample donations. I could go on and on for chapters on the corruption I have >been first-hand witness to, but it makes me nauseous to discuss it. > >To serve such blind leaders to whom image is all-in-all is to follow them >into the ditch. We are advised against it. Still some really want to, like >that one who is "lambasting" Janesvara for saving his soul from such >corruption and choosing good association. > >What can we do when they WANT to be in the ditch? > >ys, niscala > > > > ><Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> Save Address > Barbaric treatment of cows in India > ><<But since it is the Age of Quarrel and HYPOCRISY it is not surprising that >so-called non-devotees will do more to curtail demoniac activity, than the >"I am perfect, powerful and happy, so much success I have today..."-type of >"devotee". > >For all it is worth, thank you for this sharp analysis !! It is simply >true...there ARE people 'out-there' (or to speak in my terms: outhere) who >DO have a heart and perform great sacrifices... insted of speaking from >ivory towers, we should seek cooperation with ALL people who do care. Many >people have something to contribute to turn the tide of Kali. We are none >less or more... > ><<It will mean that those who are ksatriyas will become like death >personified to those who heartlessly abuse innocent animals. and are totally >intolerant of cruelty. > >Powerful words of inspiration... where's such a great soul on this planet ? >I guess we small souls will have to put our heads together and put aside >differences. This could help a long way to reduce the bloodshed and enliven >peoples concioussness. It is never too late !! > ><<We should not just flatter them to win their support and enhance our >prestige, but we should put on pressure through our enormous following in >India, that this is intolerable. > >This is not just jelly belly stuff... there's lives at stake here ! >Has prabhupada ever spoken pleasingly when talking about such serious >matters ? Do great souls ever speak pleasingly ? No, they decry 'injustice' >BOLDLY for the welfare of all. Their live is a lonely & rocky road ! Great >souls offer everything and usually loose it aswell... we should follow in >their footsteps according to our capacities. But, don't expect to be liked >and supported, cause that means you would already have lost the battle from >the very start ! > ><<Such as educating the people of India with books like "Dung is Gold Mine" >which show them that they lose out terribly even in a material sense > >Yes, all varnas go hand in hand, and will help to turn the tide of Kali. >Don't let yourself be held back by fear. Do your duty and have faith! > ><< We can take it as an opportunity to replace their >sentimentality-to-cow-protection-but-real-faith-in-aping-the-west, with >real-faith-in-cow-protection-and-disregard-for-the-west. We can through >pressure on the government and people of India, that it is in their best >interest to stop this malpractice > >In the intrest of all of us actually. If cow abuse becomes the norm in >India, there won't be much turning back and hell will break loose. It will >be a big loss to the world and the preaching... This is indeed a wonderful >opportunity & challenge for Iskcon. I hope it will be taken up whole >heartedly... > ><<Personally, if we don't give a damn, > >Then who will ???? > >dirk > >____ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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