Guest guest Posted February 29, 2000 Report Share Posted February 29, 2000 Dwibhuja: I don't understand how I can put in good intentions and enthusiasm and get out of it chastisement and negativity--do you have a converter? Certainly you are accruing credit for taking care of cows, but as far as I'm concerned, your texts are the worst on this conference. You paint everyone else as negative and blasphemous, when that brush can just as easily paint you. As I said earlier, when you see a negative text, just go over it. Now I'll break my own advice because I believe your negativity to be so strong and offensive and persistent that it is definitely discouraging me from using this conference to communicate and learn about cow protection. Discredit me as you will for not actively participating in cow protection, but I don't think that every GBC man or woman has actively participated in cow protection, and you're willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, so why can't you ease up a little? If others feel that it would be better for me to from this conference, I will. In the typical quitter style of us offensive devotees, I will remove myself so that I can let the gentle devotees like yourself carry on conversation peacefully and in a beautiful tone. I have been trying to make a good contribution to this conference, and I'm sorry if I've offended devotees. I have tried to speak honestly, artfully, and good-naturedly. I don't think I've said anything bad about anybody, yet I find myself embroiled in conflict with you AGAIN. Is it possible that you are trying to show yourself to be the dominant bull of the yard? By the way, let's move on. If you feel like you must respond, please do so privately. I'd prefer it, however, if you'd write something positive about your realizations in Krishna consciousness or about cow protection. -- Money 50% for Krishna consciousness, 25% for family, and 25% for emergencies. Rupa Goswami has set the example of how we can distribute our wealth, and I'm not sure that I understand this principle the same as it was explained to me. Once I asked a non-GBC member if these numbers referred to income after expenses, and that devotee told me that these numbers referred to gross income. I wonder how to pay the expenses then. I bring this up because of the discussion between Dirk and Niscala regarding the principle of cow protection and the economic reality. Dirk doesn't think it possible to depend solely on the land as Niscala suggests. One example that we have, of course, is Krishna's telling the cowherd men not to pay tribute to Indra. After 7 days of weathering the samvartaka storm, Krishna had reestablished the true agrarian economy free from the artificial taxes imposed by the universal government. Now, what I have noticed in my few years of experience as a living entity who's trying to become a human being, is that expenses eat up a good percentage of my income so that the above formula must be adjusted. I noticed that Rupa Goswami gave 50% of his SAVINGS. Savings, according to my understanding, are what you have after expenses. So now the question is how much can we save per month? And I think this is a very important distinction. The reason I'm bringing it up is because Dirk says it's impossible to be free of expenses, and I agree. Niscala says that if we follow Krishna's instructions and worship Govardhana Hill, He will give us all the shelter we need. So the synthesis of these two ideas is that we must have money to pay for expenses, and we can apply the above formula to the remainder of those monies. Has anyone noticed how fabulously wealthy the Mormons are? They have several temples in Los Angeles much larger than ours on Watseka. They tithe at 10%. So, if we attempt to save 20% of our incomes, and divide that according to Rupa Goswami's formula, we will be able to give 10% to Krishna, 5% to our family, and 5% for emergencies. Does anyone talk about this? I find that it's quite possible to put aside income if we can afford a little austerity. The next question is to whom these monies (collective) should go, and how they should be spent. Maybe this is too controversial for the cow conference, but since I've already stepped into controversy, I might as well go on. I am, with my personal income, trying to reduce my intake of industrial goods (much like the Amish), even in the city. I believe that we must do without some of the benefits of raping the earth and cow so that we don't take more than our share (Isha 1) and so that we can afford to purchase the items necessary to live in the world of cows. Gaura hari, Ram Prasad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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