Guest guest Posted March 5, 2000 Report Share Posted March 5, 2000 Haribol prabhus, PAMHO AGTSP Sorry about the lack of response, but basically I'm playing catch-up with the whole discussion because of issues relating to these very points. Anyway without going into all the details and difficulties here, I am very concerned about the tenure of lands. The reason being I'm looking at very difficult situations here based on everything currently being discussed. With extremely limited sized farms, as ours is, and with the cow lands put into trust, we would have allotment sized parcels left, having had some sold off. The reality is that although presentations were made about agricultural activity when applying to buy, or rent, we have yet to see any movement in this way. Some people tend to say that it has taken more time to do this and that, so I think three years may be open to debate depending on the size of farm. We have a limited few acres, not even five, but as yet at least four people saying they will farm this and that crop - but nothing. And having the review body has done no good, my husband, who is the only one growing for a long time, has resigned because he couldn't take it anymore! And he's the chief cow herd, the land guy, and the one who sat at meetings, talked to devotees, agreed things in conjunction with the other parties only to hear via the grapevine that the others had 'a change of heart/mind' after the meetings. So I think the time frame has to be taken strongly into consideration. Land left idle or dug up for building works, but not being cared for or worked agriculturally by a devotee should realistically not be given such a long probationary period. If someone is enthusiastic to work the land, it shouldn't take three years, and when they do, the extended long-term tenure should be linked into several other factors such as relationships, attitude etc. I'm not sure about the bigger places and the arguments about the not so much full-time HK devotees or their not so full time heirs in the future. The size of the project is really a factor. Certainly if there are thousands upon thousands of acres, but in a small farming project it causes problems. If we wanted to live like that, we wouldn't come to this place, nor rear our families here. If someone is favourable, they can yearly rent allotments, but I have reservations about long-term commitments with those not sincerely trying to follow cent per cent. Otherwise we should encourage farming in the wider community sense whereby they can donate produce from their own place, if nicely grown. I have seen the arguments about the reality of unworked land etc. but size is a factor. One devotee who is really enthusiatic and sincere will work effectively on a larger plot than any amount of wannabe agriculturists but not necessarily fully committed devotees. I realise that many out there, more and less experienced, will differ from this opinion. But given the nonsense that we have to put up with, I think it's valid that I state my point. If anyone out there knows how to fix problems with hard disks that Scan disk says it fixed but didn't give me a shout. Otherwise I'm finding it hard to keep in touch due to computer problems and time constraints here. ys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2000 Report Share Posted April 10, 2000 "ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" wrote: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" > > Dear Prabhus, > > PAMHO. AGTSP. > > I think our discussion last ended with Rohita Prabhu suggesting that a village > concept for housing and land would be best. I have not become involved in this thread for a couple of reasons - as always, a little busy. Also, if the relatively simple Cow Standards are being widely ignored by the leadership, it is easy to assume that any energy put into this topic will be even more ignored. Third, it is complicated topic that will not necessarily have one correct answer. Forth, it hasn't really generated a lot of enthusiasm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2000 Report Share Posted April 11, 2000 >"Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" ><Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> >"Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" ><Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net >"Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> >Re: Can we get back into this discussion >Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:41 -0400 > >"ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" wrote: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" > > > > Dear Prabhus, > > > > PAMHO. AGTSP. > > > > I think our discussion last ended with Rohita Prabhu suggesting that a >village > > concept for housing and land would be best. > >I have not become involved in this thread for a couple of reasons - as >always, >a >little busy. Also, if the relatively simple Cow Standards are being >widely >ignored by the leadership, it is easy to assume that any energy put into >this >topic will be even more ignored. Third, it is complicated topic that >will >not >necessarily have one correct answer. Forth, it hasn't really generated a >lot >of >enthusiasm. > > > ************************ You can count me in on being one of the individuals interested in this topic. I also agree with the 4 reasons above for not embarking on the mission to figure this thing out but theres something stagnant about this.. If we do nothing then nothing will happen, at least in the sense of this topic coming from the cow comference or ISKCON. But then were not the controlers so maybe someone else will do.(entity) Or then again maybe not. A positive stroke might be that if this were to be figured out like the Minimum Standards and excepted in the same way, even if not followed right away because of its maturity, it would definatly be positive reenforcment as excepted law. whatchathink? (The Golden Age is coming ready or not.) uh, ys, Derek, GN-usa. ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2000 Report Share Posted April 11, 2000 Dear Sir: Please remove <osandal (AT) allenpress (DOT) com> from your e-mail address list. He no longer works here. He can be reached at: osandal (AT) mfi (DOT) com Thank you, Martha Chapin Advertising Department Allen Press, Inc. At 12:51 AM 04/11/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >"Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" > ><Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > >"Madhava Gosh (das) ACBSP (New Vrindavan - USA)" > ><Madhava.Gosh.ACBSP (AT) pamho (DOT) net>, Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net > >"Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) pamho (DOT) net> > >Re: Can we get back into this discussion > >Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:41 -0400 > > > >"ISCOWP (Balabhadra Dasa & Chaya Dasi - USA)" wrote: > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="x-user-defined" > > > > > > Dear Prabhus, > > > > > > PAMHO. AGTSP. > > > > > > I think our discussion last ended with Rohita Prabhu suggesting that a > >village > > > concept for housing and land would be best. > > > >I have not become involved in this thread for a couple of reasons - as > >always, > >a > >little busy. Also, if the relatively simple Cow Standards are being > >widely > >ignored by the leadership, it is easy to assume that any energy put into > >this > >topic will be even more ignored. Third, it is complicated topic that > >will > >not > >necessarily have one correct answer. Forth, it hasn't really generated a > >lot > >of > >enthusiasm. > > > > > > >************************ > >You can count me in on being one of the individuals interested in this >topic. I also agree with the 4 reasons above for not embarking on the >mission to figure this thing out but theres something stagnant about this.. >If we do nothing then nothing will happen, at least in the sense of this >topic coming from the cow comference or ISKCON. >But then were not the controlers so maybe someone else will do.(entity) Or >then again maybe not. >A positive stroke might be that if this were to be figured out like the >Minimum Standards and excepted in the same way, even if not followed right >away because of its maturity, it would definatly be positive reenforcment as >excepted law. >whatchathink? > > > > > >(The Golden Age is coming ready or not.) > > >uh, > >ys, Derek, GN-usa. > > > > > >____ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ***************************************************** Martha Chapin mchapin (AT) allenpress (DOT) com Allen Marketing and Management 810 E. 10th Street, PO Box 368 Lawrence, KS 66044 USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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