Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 If we cannot keep so many cows in the current age then the composting of all the manure (including human) seems an obvious solution for fertility if it increases the output by 8 times. Who would not agree? and besides you're dealing with ALL your waste problems in one fell swoop. Vedic aphorism: One good action solves many problems. Technology required Nil Expertise required Nil Intelligence a little capability to follow instructions - a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 28, 1999 Report Share Posted May 28, 1999 "COM: Radha Krsna (das) ACBSP GB (Great Britain)" wrote: > [Text 2353656 from COM] > > If we cannot keep so many cows in the current age then the composting of all > the manure (including human) seems an obvious solution for fertility if it > increases the output by 8 times. > Who would not agree? and besides you're dealing with ALL your waste > problems in one fell swoop. Who would not agree? Someone who does not have sufficient manpower to carry this out. > Vedic aphorism: One good action solves many problems. > > Technology required Nil > Expertise required Nil > Intelligence a little > capability to follow instructions - a lot. Manpower or funding for manpower required -- considerable ************* Having said that, I want to note that I am not opposed to composting per se. I'm just saying, there are many factors to consider, manpower being a very important one. Sometimes composting may the best answer, sometimes rotational grazing may be the best answer, sometimes biogas may be the best answer, sometimes a combination may be the best answer, sometimes something else may be the best answer. The trouble with us is that we're always looking for one formula that will work for every situation. The problem with that approach is that Krsna does not cooperate with us. Instead, He forces us to use our brain to discover the most appropriate response to each situation. Why? -- because when we try to use our brain, if we are honest, we will realize that we're not quite adequate for the job -- then we have to pray to Him for the answers. This increases our dependence on Krsna. However, when we attempt to defeat Him by stubbornly following our favorite formula and refusing to soberly consider all factors, we usually mess up, one way or another. your servant, Hare Krsna dasi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 1999 Report Share Posted June 1, 1999 >"COM: Hare Krsna dasi (Brunswick, Maine - USA)" ><Hare.Krsna.dasi (AT) bbt (DOT) se> >Hare.Krsna.dasi (AT) bbt (DOT) se, Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se >"COM: Cow (Protection and related issues)" <Cow (AT) bbt (DOT) se> >Re: gobhar gas >Fri, 28 May 99 14:17 -0400 > >[Text 2354975 from COM] > > > >"COM: Radha Krsna (das) ACBSP GB (Great Britain)" wrote: > > > [Text 2353656 from COM] > > > > If we cannot keep so many cows in the current age then the composting of >all > > the manure (including human) seems an obvious solution for fertility if >it > > increases the output by 8 times. > > Who would not agree? and besides you're dealing with ALL your waste > > problems in one fell swoop. > >Who would not agree? Someone who does not have sufficient manpower to >carry >this out. > > > > Vedic aphorism: One good action solves many problems. > > > > Technology required Nil > > Expertise required Nil > > Intelligence a little > > capability to follow instructions - a lot. > >Manpower or funding for manpower required -- considerable > The problem isn't so much a lack of manpower, its a lack of motivation, inspiration and direction. When we've actually personally experienced the lifestyle we can actually understand which is best. For most people trying to research, organize and build a gobar gas plant will just never happen. The trouble is that these inventions are usually the product of inexperienced persons in the field, trying to help but maybe causing more problems. The concept itself of gobar gas is not bad at all for a more centralized system of cooking, perhaps for cooking for dieties in our existing farm temples- it maybe helpful i.e. converting from LPG gas to gobar and probably you would find enough enthusiastic devotees to collect the dung and maintain the unit. But as far as individual devotees are concerned, living simply in cottages, keeping their cows and bulls handy, (during the night, at day they go out to pasture all together) the most practical thing is to slap on their wall, the cow patties that are handy, and pick them up when they dry and fall off. An overhang is required so that they don't get rained on. Admittedly, cooking on direct fire does mean more effort cleaning the black of the bottom, but many people in India before cooking wet the bottom of the pot and sprinkle cow dung ash or smear wet clay on it, and the black simply rinses off. As Srila Prabhupada mentions in his conversation, the ash is used also as a fertilizer and it is very light and therefore easy to carry it and sprinkle around the plants. According to "Dung is a Gold Mine", the ash can be used to mix with grains, to discourage the weevils, though I've never tried it.It is also useful for cleaning pots, and being alkaline by nature, should also be useful for making lye for soap. I have a recipe for wood ash and vegetable oil for making soap, though as yet I have not tried it. Unfortunately I'm now condemned to live in the city and am waiting for some very generous person to supply me with some wood ash, what to speak of cow dung ash which is rarer! I've already had great success with making soap with left over cooking oil from our restaurants and caustic soda, which is perfect for washing clothes and the body. Actually, cow dung ash or earth is best for the body, as Srila Prabhupada recommended in Vrindavan in 1977 (Yamuna mud) If I can make some soap from the ash, I'll let you know the recipe. This leftover oil is also extremely useful for lighting- just have a small clay dish and put in a cotton wick- even a strip of rag will do. As Srimate Hare Krsna Dasi has pointed out, everything has its proper use and application. I have found the above system the most convenient individually, and therefore collectively. To freshen our memories, we can meditate once again on Srila Prabhupada's final word on Gobar gas. 76-12-26: Room conversation, Bombay. Indian man: So can I know the reason why you are restraining the use ofgobar gas now. I could not understand actual technical difficulty. Is there anydifficulty? Prabhupada: No, we can utilize the gobar in different way. Indian man: No, but gobar gas is not good, that's why... Prabhupada: No, no, not good. But we have to arrange for this plant, generate gas. Sowhy not direct? Indian man: No, but the fuel is achieved, but the fertilizer is lost. Gobar, there are two elements. One is a methane gas and one is fertilizer. If you burn it you are burning the fertilizer which is very, very important, and very, very useful against the fuel that weget.Prabhupada: No, that ash is very good. Indian man: No ash is not the full fertilizer. It is only partial. 10% of the fertilizer becomes ash. The organic matter is burned with great loss to the society and the earth. Prabhupada: But in our Mayapura, that plant, we spent so much, it has notbecome successful. Indian man: No that is mechanical fault. Just like electricity now it has failed. Now sir,we should not stop utilizing electricity. Prabhupada: No, any machine, that defect will be there. Indian man: But that we have been working for twenty years in Ahmedabad. Everybody is very happy there, and they're actually making money out of it.The fertilizer that is there is about four times what is normally achieved. Sogood maintenance are required for any... Prabhupada: (sneezes loud) I have no objection, but I've got experience. In Mayapurait is failure. Indian man (2): Sometimes we get a defective machine. I purchased one for my girl'shouse. I've got a number of about 30. But one was rejected but... Indian man: Either defective machine or defective maintenance. Prabhupada: Maybe. But the difficulty is there. > > >your servant, > Gopinatha Acarya dasa > > ____ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 1999 Report Share Posted June 8, 1999 Nisala das wrote: >The problem isn't so much a lack of manpower, its a lack of motivation, inspiration and direction... Yes, so let me get to them. This is why we need dynamism in our ranks.Too much book knowledge is one thing and too many councils for this and that is another. People are not so easily impressed. I can make presentation and convince you. All the sannyasis and GBC's I have met I have convinced but that is not to say they instigate. We are very slow to change and they don't work like they used to. Maybe it's solely up to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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